Re: Which are Ventura & Distiller Settings to ensure
generation of B&W

<<So do it again & send us through attachment converted to curve
mode.">>

The above is what scares me. If they want it converted to curves it sounds 
like they're taking the PDF into another program rather than working with 
the PDF as a PDF.

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"John Manetta" <jmanveda@panafonet.gr> wrote in message 
news:45d492eb_2@cnews...
>
> Dear List
>
> Please excuse the perhaps elementary question.
>
> For years I have been giving PDFs for simple books I translate to my 
> publisher for printing locally with no problem from his printer. I always 
> used the Standard print option in Distiller. Text was always black with 
> one or two grayscale photos
>
> There is now the case of a PDF for a book I delivered to another 
> publisher, who took the CD to India to print it there. Unfortunately, it 
> turned out that some RGB was there and they emailed me
>
> =====================quote=====================================
> "We are sorry to say there is a problem in PDF files. It has RGB
colour 
> where it should be solid black single colour.
> So kindly send it again. This can be done at the time of converting into 
> PDF files in BLACK & WHITE
> So do it again & send us through attachment converted to curve
mode."
> =====================unquote====================================
>
> After consulting with a friend, I duly checked the separations in preview 
> and found two RGB items (just two names -- dunno how they happened) which 
> I rectified; ensured that the separations tab in review showed only black 
> as checked and then created a new PDF after altering the Distiller color 
> tab to "leave color unchanged". (It goes without saying that I
had 
> previously checked colour of text in all tags as CMYK K100.)
>
> The Indians say they still have a problem, and are out of touch today due 
> to some local festival.
>
> Now, my questions are-- to ensure Blac&White :
> -----------------------------------------------
> VENTURA 8 -- 1. In the Ventura print dialogue Miscellaneous tab, one can 
> select Text to print black. -- Should this be used anyway when one always 
> has no coloured text? (My printer is a Lexmark E330 PS3)
>
> VENTURA 8 -- 2. What about the photos? I see in the same tab that colours 
> can be printed as color, black or grayscale. -- Default is Color; should 
> this be changed to black or grayscale to affect the grayscale photos?
>
> DISTILLER 7 -- 1. Under colors tab there is a setting "Convert to 
> CMYK". -- Should this be used or the one "Leave color
unchanged"? (The 
> third setting is "convert to RGB").
>
> DISTILLER 7 -- 2. The Indians told me they print on Lino 1200dpi. -- 
> Should I then alter the dpi in the Standard Distiller from 600 to 1200? Or

> is this not really relevant for the nature of this simple print job.
>
> Finally, please note that the page-size is A5 printed in numerical 
> sequence. Have no idea how they process these things to nake impositions. 
> My OS is W2k.
>
> Thanks in advance
> John
>
> -- 
> John Manetta - Beles 28 (Koukaki), 11741 Athens, Greece
> Phone:  [+30]  210  923 4682
> mailto:jmanveda@panafonet.gr
> 

John Manetta wrote:
> 
> Dear List
> 
> Please excuse the perhaps elementary question.

Someone said no question is elementary. It is better to ask and get a 
reply/answer about what has become a problem.

> 
> Now, my questions are-- to ensure Blac&White :
> -----------------------------------------------
> VENTURA 8 -- 1. In the Ventura print dialogue Miscellaneous tab, one can 
> select Text to print black. -- Should this be used anyway when one 
> always has no coloured text? (My printer is a Lexmark E330 PS3)
> 

I would do this, if you have some text somewhere that comes out otherwise.

> VENTURA 8 -- 2. What about the photos? I see in the same tab that 
> colours can be printed as color, black or grayscale. -- Default is 
> Color; should this be changed to black or grayscale to affect the 
> grayscale photos?
> 

This is what I would do as well.

I would have Distiller leave the colours alone.

The separations mode should keep you on the straight and narrow.

You seem to have done the steps to find the rogue colours, and you 
rectified them. All should be well. Perhaps their rip is set somehow 
oddly. You may want to try looking at the document information in the 
pdf file to ensure that there it is all b+w.

Regards,
Stilman

Dear List

Please excuse the perhaps elementary question.

For years I have been giving PDFs for simple books I translate to my 
publisher for printing locally with no problem from his printer. I 
always used the Standard print option in Distiller. Text was always 
black with one or two grayscale photos

There is now the case of a PDF for a book I delivered to another 
publisher, who took the CD to India to print it there. Unfortunately, 
it turned out that some RGB was there and they emailed me

=====================quote=====================================
"We are sorry to say there is a problem in PDF files. It has RGB 
colour where it should be solid black single colour.
So kindly send it again. This can be done at the time of converting 
into PDF files in BLACK & WHITE
So do it again & send us through attachment converted to curve mode."
=====================unquote====================================

After consulting with a friend, I duly checked the separations in 
preview and found two RGB items (just two names -- dunno how they 
happened) which I rectified; ensured that the separations tab in 
review showed only black as checked and then created a new PDF after 
altering the Distiller color tab to "leave color unchanged". (It goes

without saying that I had previously checked colour of text in all 
tags as CMYK K100.)

The Indians say they still have a problem, and are out of touch today 
due to some local festival.

Now, my questions are-- to ensure Blac&White :
-----------------------------------------------
VENTURA 8 -- 1. In the Ventura print dialogue Miscellaneous tab, one 
can select Text to print black. -- Should this be used anyway when one 
always has no coloured text? (My printer is a Lexmark E330 PS3)

VENTURA 8 -- 2. What about the photos? I see in the same tab that 
colours can be printed as color, black or grayscale. -- Default is 
Color; should this be changed to black or grayscale to affect the 
grayscale photos?

DISTILLER 7 -- 1. Under colors tab there is a setting "Convert to 
CMYK". -- Should this be used or the one "Leave color unchanged"?
(The 
third setting is "convert to RGB").

DISTILLER 7 -- 2. The Indians told me they print on Lino 1200dpi. -- 
Should I then alter the dpi in the Standard Distiller from 600 to 
1200? Or is this not really relevant for the nature of this simple 
print job.

Finally, please note that the page-size is A5 printed in numerical 
sequence. Have no idea how they process these things to nake 
impositions. My OS is W2k.

Thanks in advance
John

-- 
John Manetta - Beles 28 (Koukaki), 11741 Athens, Greece
Phone:  [+30]  210  923 4682
mailto:jmanveda@panafonet.gr

John Manetta wrote:
> 
> Thanks Stillman
> 
> Only one point not clear, should the colour be set to black or to 
> grayscale? What is affected by either of these settings I wonder?
> You probably mean grayscale--the last choice I mention;  please confirm.
> 
> Regards
> John
> 
If you have images, greyscale.
Regards,
Stilman

Thanks Stillman

Only one point not clear, should the colour be set to black or to 
grayscale? What is affected by either of these settings I wonder?
You probably mean grayscale--the last choice I mention;  please confirm.

Regards
John

stilman davis wrote:
> 
> John Manetta wrote:
>>
>> Dear List
>>
>> Please excuse the perhaps elementary question.
> 
> Someone said no question is elementary. It is better to ask and get a 
> reply/answer about what has become a problem.
> 
>>
>> Now, my questions are-- to ensure Blac&White :
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> VENTURA 8 -- 1. In the Ventura print dialogue Miscellaneous tab, one 
>> can select Text to print black. -- Should this be used anyway when one

>> always has no coloured text? (My printer is a Lexmark E330 PS3)
>>
> 
> I would do this, if you have some text somewhere that comes out otherwise.
> 
>> VENTURA 8 -- 2. What about the photos? I see in the same tab that 
>> colours can be printed as color, black or grayscale. -- Default is 
>> Color; should this be changed to black or grayscale to affect the 
>> grayscale photos?
>>
> 
> This is what I would do as well.
> 
> I would have Distiller leave the colours alone.
> 
> The separations mode should keep you on the straight and narrow.
> 
> You seem to have done the steps to find the rogue colours, and you 
> rectified them. All should be well. Perhaps their rip is set somehow 
> oddly. You may want to try looking at the document information in the 
> pdf file to ensure that there it is all b+w.
> 
> Regards,
> Stilman
>