Some LVM difficulties

I have what I consider to be a straightforward goal namely:
 From a running ecs 1.1 I want to make a boot disk on a virgin disk.
That is I want to make a primary partition and put a boot manager.
Make a volume on a primary (later to put win there) and
finally making a third urinary with a volume with some
arbitrary letter and copying an ECS 1.1 on to it (not the one I
booted from). Then I change the letter to C: and move this new disk to
my new AMD64 box.
But LVM goes not cooperate. The option-make a volume which is bootable
is grayed out. If I select non bootable then I have no space for the BM
in front where I like it. No reason just habit. If I try to make a small 
volume ( to be deleted later and and copying a BM after I boot the new 
OS) it puts it at the end of the disk. I don t want to us any PM tool
for the usual reasons.
Am I pursuing an impossible dream. If not what is the strategy?

On 12/02/05 12:34 pm Leo Tick tossed the following ingredients into the 
ever-growing pot of cybersoup:

> I have what I consider to be a straightforward goal namely:
>  From a running ecs 1.1 I want to make a boot disk on a virgin disk.
> That is I want to make a primary partition and put a boot manager.
> Make a volume on a primary (later to put win there) and
> finally making a third urinary with a volume with some

                      !!! ^^^^^^^ !!!!

I know that liquid cooling of computers is all the rage these days, but 
I thought that other liquids were more common.

> arbitrary letter and copying an ECS 1.1 on to it (not the one I
> booted from). Then I change the letter to C: and move this new disk to
> my new AMD64 box.
> But LVM goes not cooperate. The option-make a volume which is bootable
> is grayed out. If I select non bootable then I have no space for the BM
> in front where I like it. No reason just habit. If I try to make a small 
> volume ( to be deleted later and and copying a BM after I boot the new 
> OS) it puts it at the end of the disk. I don t want to us any PM tool
> for the usual reasons.
> Am I pursuing an impossible dream. If not what is the strategy?

Do you have Boot Manager on the machine in its current configuration?

-=-

Alan Beagley wrote:
> On 12/02/05 12:34 pm Leo Tick tossed the following ingredients into the 
> ever-growing pot of cybersoup:
> 
>> I have what I consider to be a straightforward goal namely:
>>  From a running ecs 1.1 I want to make a boot disk on a virgin disk.
>> That is I want to make a primary partition and put a boot manager.
>> Make a volume on a primary (later to put win there) and
>> finally making a third urinary with a volume with some
> 
> 
>                      !!! ^^^^^^^ !!!!
--------------touché so much for spelling checkers bah humbug
> 
> I know that liquid cooling of computers is all the rage these days, but 
> I thought that other liquids were more common.
> 
>> arbitrary letter and copying an ECS 1.1 on to it (not the one I
>> booted from). Then I change the letter to C: and move this new disk to
>> my new AMD64 box.
>> But LVM does not cooperate. The option-make a volume which is bootable
>> is grayed out. If I select non bootable then I have no space for the
BM
>> in front where I like it. No reason just habit. If I try to make a 
>> small volume ( to be deleted later and and copying a BM after I boot 
>> the new OS) it puts it at the end of the disk. I don t want to us any 
>> PM tool
>> for the usual reasons.
>> Am I pursuing an impossible dream. If not what is the strategy?
> 
> 
> Do you have Boot Manager on the machine in its current configuration?
  of course how else could I have booted -
are you saying that if I removed the BM from my boot disk then I could
get a bootable volume on my new disk then I could set my current system
partition active remove the new disk boot, my current (maybe but likely 
yes)system  and put the BM back - boy is that ugly
> 
> -=-

On 12/02/05 03:03 pm Leo Tick tossed the following ingredients into the 
ever-growing pot of cybersoup:

>>> I have what I consider to be a straightforward goal namely:
>>>  From a running ecs 1.1 I want to make a boot disk on a virgin
disk.
>>> That is I want to make a primary partition and put a boot manager.
>>> Make a volume on a primary (later to put win there) and
>>> finally making a third urinary with a volume with some
>>
>>
>>                      !!! ^^^^^^^ !!!!
> --------------touché so much for spelling checkers bah humbug
>>
>> I know that liquid cooling of computers is all the rage these days, 
>> but I thought that other liquids were more common.
>>
>>> arbitrary letter and copying an ECS 1.1 on to it (not the one I
>>> booted from). Then I change the letter to C: and move this new disk
to
>>> my new AMD64 box.
>>> But LVM does not cooperate. The option-make a volume which is
bootable
>>> is grayed out. If I select non bootable then I have no space for
the BM
>>> in front where I like it. No reason just habit. If I try to make a

>>> small volume ( to be deleted later and and copying a BM after I
boot 
>>> the new OS) it puts it at the end of the disk. I don t want to us
any 
>>> PM tool
>>> for the usual reasons.
>>> Am I pursuing an impossible dream. If not what is the strategy?
>>
>>
>> Do you have Boot Manager on the machine in its current configuration?
>  of course how else could I have booted -
> are you saying that if I removed the BM from my boot disk then I could
> get a bootable volume on my new disk then I could set my current system
> partition active remove the new disk boot, my current (maybe but likely 
> yes)system  and put the BM back - boy is that ugly

I *think* that you can have an OS/2 system that boots from C: without 
having BM installed. That's why I asked.

And I *think* that if BM is already installed you can't install it again 
  on a second drive.

But, since BM is installed, the question is: Why won't it let you create 
a bootable volume on the second drive?

But here is a suggestion: Create a humongous partition on the second 
drive, leaving just enough free for a BM-sized partition, then create a 
partition in that remaining space, which should be at the beginning of 
the drive where you want it. Then delete that first huge partition and 
create new ones of the sizes you want and copy the desired old 
partitions to the new ones. Finally, mount the new drive in the new box, 
boot it from the eCS CD, delete that BM-sized partition and install BM, 
then add the volumes to the Boot Manager menu.

This all assumes, of course, that the drivers you have now will work 
with the new hardware.

I'd be inclined to install again from scratch. With eCS 1.1 and 1.2, 
I've set my initial options, told the installer to go ahead, and come 
back not much more than 30min. later to find that all that's left to do 
is set the screen resolution and other options, and install a printer 
driver -- plus the existing apps, of course. And it's this latter task 
that you're probably trying to avoid.

-=-

Alan Beagley wrote:
> On 12/02/05 03:03 pm Leo Tick tossed the following ingredients into the 
> ever-growing pot of cybersoup:
> 
>>>> I have what I consider to be a straightforward goal namely:
>>>>  From a running ecs 1.1 I want to make a boot disk on a virgin
disk.
>>>> That is I want to make a primary partition and put a boot
manager.
>>>> Make a volume on a primary (later to put win there) and
>>>> finally making a third urinary with a volume with some
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                      !!! ^^^^^^^ !!!!
>>
>> --------------touché so much for spelling checkers bah humbug
>>
>>>
>>> I know that liquid cooling of computers is all the rage these days,

>>> but I thought that other liquids were more common.
>>>
>>>> arbitrary letter and copying an ECS 1.1 on to it (not the one
I
>>>> booted from). Then I change the letter to C: and move this new
disk to
>>>> my new AMD64 box.
>>>> But LVM does not cooperate. The option-make a volume which is
bootable
>>>> is grayed out. If I select non bootable then I have no space
for the BM
>>>> in front where I like it. No reason just habit. If I try to
make a 
>>>> small volume ( to be deleted later and and copying a BM after I
boot 
>>>> the new OS) it puts it at the end of the disk. I don t want to
us 
>>>> any PM tool
>>>> for the usual reasons.
>>>> Am I pursuing an impossible dream. If not what is the
strategy?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have Boot Manager on the machine in its current
configuration?
>>
>>  of course how else could I have booted -
>> are you saying that if I removed the BM from my boot disk then I could
>> get a bootable volume on my new disk then I could set my current
system
>> partition active remove the new disk boot, my current (maybe but 
>> likely yes)system  and put the BM back - boy is that ugly
> 
> 
> I *think* that you can have an OS/2 system that boots from C: without 
> having BM installed. That's why I asked.
> 
> And I *think* that if BM is already installed you can't install it again 
>  on a second drive.
> 
> But, since BM is installed, the question is: Why won't it let you create 
> a bootable volume on the second drive?
> 
> But here is a suggestion: Create a humongous partition on the second 
> drive, leaving just enough free for a BM-sized partition, then create a 
> partition in that remaining space, which should be at the beginning of 
> the drive where you want it. Then delete that first huge partition and 
> create new ones of the sizes you want and copy the desired old 
> partitions to the new ones. Finally, mount the new drive in the new box, 
> boot it from the eCS CD, delete that BM-sized partition and install BM, 
> then add the volumes to the Boot Manager menu.
> 
> This all assumes, of course, that the drivers you have now will work 
> with the new hardware.
> 
> I'd be inclined to install again from scratch. With eCS 1.1 and 1.2, 
> I've set my initial options, told the installer to go ahead, and come 
> back not much more than 30min. later to find that all that's left to do 
> is set the screen resolution and other options, and install a printer 
> driver -- plus the existing apps, of course. And it's this latter task 
> that you're probably trying to avoid.
> 
> -=-
> Alan
What you suggest seems reasonable. But this conversation and the initial 
install fom CD is not a bad idea but I dont have to complete it. It 
seems to me that if I just get through the very early stage - partition
and BM install I can abort it and move it to my ols box and copy the OS.
Thanks . Will try any one that works provided I dont run into the AMD64