mtmm Administration and Policy

Chris Ilias wrote:
> On 3/11/08 2:08 PM, _Terry R._ spoke thusly:
>> This is what happens when replying to multiple recipients after trying

>> to remove a few of the recipients in TB 2.0.0.12.
>>
> 
> I'd like to reiterate for everyone, not to use this newsgroup to host 
> images for discussions in the support newsgroups. Thanks.
> 
This should be discussed in an open and public way.
Suggesting that comments should be restricted, or "sanitized" is
counterproductive to the "Community"
The suggestion that comments should be sent to the administrator and not the
group is "just not right"


On 11.03.2008 19:10, Chris Ilias wrote:

  --- Original Message ---

> > On 3/11/08 2:08 PM, _Terry R._ spoke thusly:
>> >> This is what happens when replying to multiple recipients
after trying
>> >> to remove a few of the recipients in TB 2.0.0.12.
>> >>
> >
> > I'd like to reiterate for everyone, not to use this newsgroup to host
> > images for discussions in the support newsgroups. Thanks.
> >

> Well, if you can't post 'em in the support group and you can't post 'em
> here, then where, a link to a website? That's very counterproductive and
> splits up the discussion with a valid image supporting the issue.
> 
> And why did you want replies ONLY to your email address and not here
> where it belongs for all to see? Is this an issue with Giganews or
> Mozilla? If it's Giganews then maybe you guys should start looking for a
> new host.Jay Garcia Netscape Champion
>UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org

JoeS wrote:
> Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 3/11/08 2:08 PM, _Terry R._ spoke thusly:
>>> This is what happens when replying to multiple recipients after
trying 
>>> to remove a few of the recipients in TB 2.0.0.12.
>>>
>> I'd like to reiterate for everyone, not to use this newsgroup to host 
>> images for discussions in the support newsgroups. Thanks.
>>
> This should be discussed in an open and public way.
> Suggesting that comments should be restricted, or "sanitized" is
counterproductive to the "Community"
> The suggestion that comments should be sent to the administrator and not
the group is "just not right"

what "community?" Isn't the community is dead?  The only 
ones posting in that group are the ones who don't know the 
story.

And why wasn't Terry R banned for posting what he did?

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JoeS wrote:
> Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 3/11/08 2:08 PM, _Terry R._ spoke thusly:
>>> This is what happens when replying to multiple recipients after 
>>> trying to remove a few of the recipients in TB 2.0.0.12.
>>>
>>
>> I'd like to reiterate for everyone, not to use this newsgroup to host 
>> images for discussions in the support newsgroups. Thanks.
>>
> This should be discussed in an open and public way.
> Suggesting that comments should be restricted, or "sanitized" is

> counterproductive to the "Community"
> The suggestion that comments should be sent to the administrator and not 
> the group is "just not right"
> 
> 
> On 11.03.2008 19:10, Chris Ilias wrote:
> 
>  --- Original Message ---
> 
>> > On 3/11/08 2:08 PM, _Terry R._ spoke thusly:
>>> >> This is what happens when replying to multiple recipients
after 
>>> trying
>>> >> to remove a few of the recipients in TB 2.0.0.12.
>>> >>
>> >
>> > I'd like to reiterate for everyone, not to use this newsgroup to
host
>> > images for discussions in the support newsgroups. Thanks.
>> >
> 
>> Well, if you can't post 'em in the support group and you can't post
'em
>> here, then where, a link to a website? That's very counterproductive
and
>> splits up the discussion with a valid image supporting the issue.
>>
>> And why did you want replies ONLY to your email address and not here
>> where it belongs for all to see? Is this an issue with Giganews or
>> Mozilla? If it's Giganews then maybe you guys should start looking for
a
>> new host.Jay Garcia Netscape Champion
>> UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org
> 


As far as I am concerned, Mozilla has KILLED any chance at multimedia in 
Thunderbird (or SeaMonkey).

Obviously they don't want ANY multimedia in newsgroup messages. To date 
they have

1) banned a user for simply posting a music file
2) chased away legitimate users for using the multimedia aspects of the 
product
3) chased away new users who use the group for posting relevent image files.

In short, Mozilla doesnt want any multimedia aspects of it's products at 
all.

Sense of community? Nonsense. Sense of self importance is more like it.


The people who inhabited the multimedia newsgroup were the driving force 
behind html in email/news in Netscape Communicator and early versions of 
Mozilla/Thunderbird and SeaMonkey. Where are they now? They had to go 
simply because they didn't 'fit' into the developers 'sense of community'

In short, there won't be any further development of multimedia in 
Thunderbird or SeaMonkey, because Mozilla REFUSES to let anyone try 

On 11.03.2008 21:53, JoeS wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 3/11/08 2:08 PM, _Terry R._ spoke thusly:
>>> This is what happens when replying to multiple recipients after
trying 
>>> to remove a few of the recipients in TB 2.0.0.12.
>>>
>> 
>> I'd like to reiterate for everyone, not to use this newsgroup to host 
>> images for discussions in the support newsgroups. Thanks.
>> 
> This should be discussed in an open and public way.
> Suggesting that comments should be restricted, or "sanitized" is
counterproductive to the "Community"
> The suggestion that comments should be sent to the administrator and not
the group is "just not right"

My take on that is that he doesn't want the discussion to get out of
hand IN the thread. But you know as well as I do that "discussion"
WILL
take place in the thread anyways, just like it is now.

-- 
Jay Garcia Netscape Champion

On 11.03.2008 22:03, Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> In short, there won't be any further development of multimedia in 
> Thunderbird or SeaMonkey, because Mozilla REFUSES to let anyone try 
> things just for the heck of it.

Well said, Dan. We (users AND Champs) expected to be accepted by MoFo as
Moz Champs AND also acceptance of the NTMM as MTMM. Both were rejected
and more or less instructed to effectively "hit the road". Fine with
me
on both accounts, the "road" is well traveled. Stay tuned tho, there
is
more to come on my side of the road.

-- 
Jay Garcia Netscape Champion