Re: Lightning 0.8 a lot of new eyes candy (sometimes
disturbing

On Apr 6, 4:51 pm, Marcel Berteler <plu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Melchert Fruitema wrote the following on 2008/04/06 15:41:
>
> > Could you define interoperability, please? Outlook, no longer part of
> > Windows Vista Home premium, may not be a role player, much longer.
>
> To put it simple: Schedule meeting on for example outlook allow
> recipients of both Outlook and Calendar to re-schedule meetings, etc. I
> assume I do not need to repeat all the outstanding bugs here.
>
> It is my opinion that scheduling meetings is a nice to have for home
> users, but a must have for business users.
>
> Your comment about Vista Home clearly shows that you are focusing on the
>    Home market and not on the corporate market as no corporate/business
> will use Vista Home (most in fact have not even made the move to Vista).
>
> Lets not get into a fight here about what the focus is, all I am trying
> to achieve is to let the developers know that:
> - Is is not a good sign that flag are changed from blocking to wanted.
> - That business users can not use Calendar to handle meeting schedules
> because of the open bugs yet.
> - that I am not the only one that thinks this way.
>
> Marcel

Marcel,

I'm sorry the features you are requesting have not made it into 0.8.
While it is of course important to also make the product usable for
business users, it is much more important that the product is usable
for a broad range of users. Please understand that we only have
limited developer resources and as much as we would want to implement
all features on the wanted or blocking list, we can't. Of course it is
frustrating, when features that have been blocking are demoted to a
lower state, but in some situations there is no way around this. We
are trying to bring out releases on a regular basis and since we
already missed the originally planned release, the decision was made
to not have the bug you mentioned block any longer. As you read in
comments, an initial fix was already posted which did improve the
situation, but further complications showed up. These improvements did
not block 0.8 any longer, due to lack of time and resources.

I agree that Lightning could have some more business features, but if
you take a look at the current wanted-0.9 list, you see there are also
other things that are also important. Of course everyone has a
different take on which bugs are important, but you'll agree that some
decision has to be made and not everyone's wishes can be taken into
account. You are of course not the only one who has this opinion, but
thats probably also the case for other people on other bugs.  If you
have specific bugs you would like to see for 0.9, feel free to request
the wanted flag there. If you really need something implemented and
you see that its something that we can't manage due to the resource
and time problem, it would of course be great if you could find a way
to encourage people to develop for the product. The more developers we
have, the more bugs we can fix, the more features will be in
subsequent versions.

I hope this helps,

> Well this precise feature has been marked as blocking 0.8 and was then
> removed. wanted 0.9 is not even blocking 0.9 although I do not know the
> rules for selecting the most priority features.

If you take a closer look at the bug, the real bug was fixed in a
different bug due to a mixup. See comment 19. If you take a look at
the bug activity, you will see that the bug remained blocking all the
way up to comment 51.

Circumstances changed on that bug, so I believe its ok to remove the
blocking status. Aside from that, we do reserve the right to change
our minds regarding blocking flags, if it turns out that planning
requires us to do so. In this case it did.

I already expressed this but a calendaring tool is for managing your
appointments that are mostly sent today using outlook 2003. Real world
appointment changes frequently date, time, location. Unfortunately it
still does not work. If you need a calendar just for remembering your
relatives bird date, then it s ok.

The bug requesting this feature to be implemented was opened before 0.7,
then tagged blocking 0.8. Now it is only "wanted 0.9", as it was for
0.7.

See <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361635>

You have been warned if you want to drop outlook on windows, or try to
find an thunderbid for handling your appointments on Linux.

Eric Valette wrote the following on 2008/04/06 12:10:
> I already expressed this but a calendaring tool is for managing your
> appointments that are mostly sent today using outlook 2003. Real world
> appointment changes frequently date, time, location. Unfortunately it
> still does not work. If you need a calendar just for remembering your
> relatives bird date, then it s ok.
> 
> The bug requesting this feature to be implemented was opened before 0.7,
> then tagged blocking 0.8. Now it is only "wanted 0.9", as it was
for 0.7.
> 
> See <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361635>
> 
> You have been warned if you want to drop outlook on windows, or try to
> find an thunderbid for handling your appointments on Linux.
> 
> 
> -- eric
I Agree with you Eric although not all where "Blocking 0.8" There
where 
sone still set to "Wanted 0.8". It does not boost the users confidence

that the more pressing bugs that prohibit a true Outlook replacement / 
interoperability are constantly moved forward. The fact that it is now 
"Wanted 0.9" does therefore not say anything as it could be as easily

moved to "Wanted 1.1" making role-out planning impossible.

Can I please ask the development team to focus on interoperability 
instead of nice to haves?

On 06-04-2008 14:22 CET, Marcel Berteler composed this enchanting 
statement:
> Eric Valette wrote the following on 2008/04/06 12:10:
>> I already expressed this but a calendaring tool is for managing your
>> appointments that are mostly sent today using outlook 2003. Real world
>> appointment changes frequently date, time, location. Unfortunately it
>> still does not work. If you need a calendar just for remembering your
>> relatives bird date, then it s ok.
>>
>> The bug requesting this feature to be implemented was opened before
0.7,
>> then tagged blocking 0.8. Now it is only "wanted 0.9", as it
was for 
>> 0.7.
>>
>> See <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361635>
>>
>> You have been warned if you want to drop outlook on windows, or try to
>> find an thunderbid for handling your appointments on Linux.
>>
> I Agree with you Eric although not all where "Blocking 0.8" There

> where sone still set to "Wanted 0.8". It does not boost the users

> confidence that the more pressing bugs that prohibit a true Outlook 
> replacement / interoperability are constantly moved forward. The fact 
> that it is now "Wanted 0.9" does therefore not say anything as it

> could be as easily moved to "Wanted 1.1" making role-out planning

> impossible.
>
> Can I please ask the development team to focus on interoperability 
> instead of nice to haves?
>
Could you define interoperability, please? Outlook, no longer part of 
Windows Vista Home premium, may not be a role player, much longer.

-- 
Kind regards,
Melchert