public access printers - NDPS aware?

do public access printers have to have NDPS firmware?

Just from reading the CNA study guide, it seems to follow that they do.
Non-NDPS printers require Gateways and Printer Agents on servers.
But..."you...create a new Printer Agent...This creates a corresponding
NDPS
Printer object immediately."  (p.592) But Public Access Printers don't
have
corresponding objects.  In other words, once you involve P.A. and Gateway,
it becomes a controlled access printer, doesn't it?

"Milan" <thespamskitby@montypython.loc> wrote in message :
> do public access printers have to have NDPS firmware?

NO.


> But..."you...create a new Printer Agent...This creates a corresponding

> NDPS
> Printer object immediately."  (p.592) But Public Access Printers don't

> have
> corresponding objects.  In other words, once you involve P.A. and Gateway,
> it becomes a controlled access printer, doesn't it?

NO.

You create a Public Access Printer from within the NDPS Manager PSM module.
The Public Access Printer is associated with a Printer Agent and a Gateway 
in the PSM, but does not have a corresponding object in eDir and it does 
*not* become a controlled access printer.

I am refraining from any comments on your quotes, as regarding these you can 
contact the author of the book for clarifications about his statements.

My recommendation would be to use the *official* Novell Self Study Kits 
(course 3016 for NW6.5 or 3001 for NW 6.0) or read the documentation at 
support.novell.com

http://www.novell.com/documentation/nw6p/index.html?page=/documentation/nw6p/ndp
s_enu/data/h6ajgkbr.html



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Further to my earlier post, if I understand correctly, in Netware 6.5 SP3 
(or maybe even earlier) Novell no longer supports Public Access Printers.

Following is a snip from the Netware 6.5 iPrint documentation at 
http://www.novell.com/documentation/nw65/index.html?page=/documentation/nw65/ipr
int/data/akexxjc.html


Quote:

Are any public access printers in my print system?
Many companies implemented print systems with public access 
printers---printers that are accessible to anyone. As security and budgets 
have become important issues, companies are migrating their public access 
printers to control access printers so that access to the printers can be 
managed through eDirectoryTM.

Using the Print Manager Health Monitor, you can quickly scan all printers 
and determine if any public access printers still exist in the print system 
by generating a report of printer agents using the Associated NDS Printers 
report item. As you scan the report, look for printers with a listing of 
False, meaning they do not have an associated eDirectory Printer object. If 
a printer does not have an associated Printer object, then it is a public 
access printer.

IMPORTANT:  We recommend that all public access printers be converted to a 
controlled access printer by associating an eDirectory Printer object with 
the printer agent. This lets you to manage the printer through iManager, use 
the printer with iPrint, and take advantage of advanced iPrint features like 
auditing.



End of Quote



Nevertheless, I believe that Public Access Printers can still be created 
using Netware Administrator or the PSM module at the server console, but 
haven't tested that lately. Would not place an emphasize on this objective 
while studying for CNA or CNE, as obviously it is obsolete. The only 
possible questions you might encounter on your exam would be bullets 
regarding the advantages of a Controlled Access Printer over a Public Access 
Printer.



HTH


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"Zvika Davidowitz" <zvika@myrealbox.com> wrote in message 
news:qJiGe.10690$Y_1.9440@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> "Milan" <thespamskitby@montypython.loc> wrote in message :
>> do public access printers have to have NDPS firmware?
>
> NO.
>
>
>> But..."you...create a new Printer Agent...This creates a
corresponding 
>> NDPS
>> Printer object immediately."  (p.592) But Public Access Printers
don't 
>> have
>> corresponding objects.  In other words, once you involve P.A. and 
>> Gateway,
>> it becomes a controlled access printer, doesn't it?
>
> NO.
>
> You create a Public Access Printer from within the NDPS Manager PSM 
> module.
> The Public Access Printer is associated with a Printer Agent and a Gateway

> in the PSM, but does not have a corresponding object in eDir and it does 
> *not* become a controlled access printer.
>
> I am refraining from any comments on your quotes, as regarding these you 
> can contact the author of the book for clarifications about his 
> statements.
>
> My recommendation would be to use the *official* Novell Self Study Kits 
> (course 3016 for NW6.5 or 3001 for NW 6.0) or read the documentation at 
> support.novell.com
>
>
http://www.novell.com/documentation/nw6p/index.html?page=/documentation/nw6p/ndp
s_enu/data/h6ajgkbr.html
>
>
>
> -- 
> Z V I K A     D A V I D O W I T Z
>
>
>
> e-mail   :  zvika@barak.net.il
> e-mail :    zvika@myrealbox.com
>
> 

>> I am refraining from any comments on your quotes, as regarding these 
you can 
> contact the author of the book for clarifications about his statements.

The book in question is the Novell authorized study guide, by Novell 
press.  I would expect support staff here to find it informative to learn 
what is causing the confusion to students in Novell textbooks.  I do not 
bring up other books published by other publishing companies.

Quoted text allows a good support tech to see the point at which the 

Novell Official Curriculum and Self Study Guides are authored and published 
by Novell Training Services (formerly, Novell Education), whereas Novell 
Press books are authored by private/freelance authors and published thru 
Que. This is no reason for mistakes or confusing statements to penetrate 
into the books, however we all know mistakes are human and such things could 
happen.

IMHO, the purpose of this forum is to answer questions and clarify possible 
misunderstandings, which I hope I have done in my previous posts, including 
links to the official Novell documentation and resources. Continuation of an 
argument why the author of a book, even if it is a Novell Press book, 
mis-wrote a statement or try to understand why he wrote the statement in the 
way he wrote it (as if we were trying to understand the Bible), is IMHO 
totally useless, moreover, in this specific case of Public Access Printers, 
which is obsolete and will probably not even be mentioned in the next 
version of the study guides.



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"Milan" <scorpius90@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message 
news:VaAGe.12577$Y_1.7174@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
>>> I am refraining from any comments on your quotes, as regarding
these
> you can
>> contact the author of the book for clarifications about his
statements.
>
> The book in question is the Novell authorized study guide, by Novell
> press.  I would expect support staff here to find it informative to learn
> what is causing the confusion to students in Novell textbooks.  I do not
> bring up other books published by other publishing companies.
>
> Quoted text allows a good support tech to see the point at which the
> student is misundertanding the concepts.