OO install hangs with Innotek java

Altho I have gotten OO to install, I'm writing to here to see what I had 
missed.  Thank you to all who reply.

I had a situation where when I attempt to install OOo 1.1.4 I purchased 
from Mensys some time ago would not install with Innotek java.  I had 
tried all known recent versions SDK's, JRE's _05, _09 none would work. 
Installation would launch a java console app then hang.  Consoles for 
both OS2 and java showed no text. I had Java_Home pointing to 
C:\Programs\Java142, and  PATH entry C:\Programs\Java142\JRE. I had 
completely removed all older versions of Java 1.3.1, 1.1.8.  I've tried 
eCS 1.2r and 2.0b4. I uninstalled and reinstalled, deleted all entries 
in the registry relating to Innotek Java, I'm surprised I don't have a 
hole worn in my harddisk.

I was able to get it to work with Golden Code.  The installation went 
thru so fast I hardly remember what I did. I was even able to install 
the windoze version of OO 1.1.5.  I cant find OO 2.0 for windows, I do 
not have an OO maintenance subscription to get 2.0 for OS2 so I haven't 
tried these yet.

Is there any word of a more recent version of java pending release?  1.4 
is so legacy now and I find some java apps don't work because of the old 
versioning.  Has any one tried to get a newer java to work thru Oden or 
Innotek RT?

Hi Troy

Troy Shumaker wrote:
> Altho I have gotten OO to install, I'm writing to here to see what I had 
> missed.  Thank you to all who reply.
> 
> I had a situation where when I attempt to install OOo 1.1.4 I purchased 
> from Mensys some time ago would not install with Innotek java.  I had 
> tried all known recent versions SDK's, JRE's _05, _09 none would work. 
> Installation would launch a java console app then hang.


Something wrong somewhere on your system as installation of OO114 does 
not need java. It does need the Innotek Runtime I think - I do not have 
this version of OO so I am guessing but it would be mentioned in the 
Readme somewhere.


   Consoles for
> both OS2 and java showed no text. I had Java_Home pointing to 
> C:\Programs\Java142, and  PATH entry C:\Programs\Java142\JRE. I had 
> completely removed all older versions of Java 1.3.1, 1.1.8.  I've tried 
> eCS 1.2r and 2.0b4. I uninstalled and reinstalled, deleted all entries 
> in the registry relating to Innotek Java, I'm surprised I don't have a 
> hole worn in my harddisk.
> 


I think you may be confusing java and Innotek Runtime?

Sounds like the OO install had problems with the Runtime, possibly some 
wonky Registry entries...


> I was able to get it to work with Golden Code.  The installation went 
> thru so fast I hardly remember what I did.


Shame...

May have helped find the other problem but I guess that is not so 
relevant now. Does lead me to suspect that the Registry entries for 
java142 may have something to do with the above failure though.


  I was even able to install
> the windoze version of OO 1.1.5.


GC java does not run win32 applications so is not relevant to installing 
Innotek's OO114/5.

I drag'n'dropped the Setup.exe file onto a program object for ar5os2.exe 
(from the Innotek Acrobat5 package) - that works really well. It also 
shows the install does not involve java at all.


   I cant find OO 2.0 for windows,


Check the openoffice.org website

My experiences were that it was hard work to install - had to install in 
Windows and copy the installation directory tree - and get running. When 
running it was prone to falling over for no reason. Just 1 of those apps 
that requires a bit more in the way of win32 bits than Odin or ar5os2.ex 
(Innotek Runtime) provide.


  I do
> not have an OO maintenance subscription to get 2.0 for OS2 so I haven't 
> tried these yet.
> 


Last beta I tried still had a few problems and from looking at posts 
about later betas/release candidates some of those problems are still 
being fixed.


> Is there any word of a more recent version of java pending release?


No - but you are welcome to email Sun and ask when they will provide an 
OS/2 version of their current java.

Do not expect any reply apart from an automated "we got your message and 
will respond - possibly".

   1.4
> is so legacy now and I find some java apps don't work because of the old 
> versioning.


That is going to become a more common problem leaving eCS users running 
older versions of java apps. Sometimes it is worth emailing the author 
and asking if the app really requires 1.5 or whether it would work with 
1.4 if there are no specific 1.5 calls in the code.

I did this with JPC recently and they made their Virtual Machine  1.4 
compatible  http://www-jpc.physics.ox.ac.uk/


   Has any one tried to get a newer java to work thru Oden or
> Innotek RT?
> 

Yes, No success. Even java142_11 seems very different to earlier javas 
and I could not work out how to update 142_09 using it. Maybe it is 
possible but not by me...

I think I read somewhere that Sun was releasing/has released the source 
code for java so if you feel like taking on a small project to occupy 
your mind for a while...  :-)


> Troy.



Regards

Hi Pete,

Peter Brown wrote:
> Hi Troy
> 
> Troy Shumaker wrote:
>> Altho I have gotten OO to install, I'm writing to here to see what I 
>> had missed.  Thank you to all who reply.
>>
>> I had a situation where when I attempt to install OOo 1.1.4 I 
>> purchased from Mensys some time ago would not install with Innotek 
>> java.  I had tried all known recent versions SDK's, JRE's _05, _09 
>> none would work. Installation would launch a java console app then
hang.
> 
> 
> Something wrong somewhere on your system as installation of OO114 does 
> not need java. It does need the Innotek Runtime I think - I do not have 
> this version of OO so I am guessing but it would be mentioned in the 
> Readme somewhere.
> 
Both Innotek and Windows installers launch Java.exe consoles.  You see 
them open in the task bar.  Innotek Runtimes are automatically installed 
with the Innotek OOo installer.  After the OOo installer installs the 
runtime, it quits and asks to reboot.
> 
>   Consoles for
>> both OS2 and java showed no text. I had Java_Home pointing to 
>> C:\Programs\Java142, and  PATH entry C:\Programs\Java142\JRE. I had 
>> completely removed all older versions of Java 1.3.1, 1.1.8.  I've 
>> tried eCS 1.2r and 2.0b4. I uninstalled and reinstalled, deleted all 
>> entries in the registry relating to Innotek Java, I'm surprised I 
>> don't have a hole worn in my harddisk.
>>
> 
> 
> I think you may be confusing java and Innotek Runtime?

Java, Searching the HD for all directories labled java11, java131, and 
java142.  Searching the registry for keys pointing to these directories. 
  Searching config.sys for path, classpath, libpath, dllpath, java_home, 
etc, and removing all entries.  And, yes, I uninstalled the innotek 
runtime, and removed the innotek runtime update available from eCSMT.
> 
> Sounds like the OO install had problems with the Runtime, possibly some 
> wonky Registry entries...
> 
This may be true as I had experienced different behavior of the 
installer at times after a clean removal and reinstall of Innotek Java.
> 
>> I was able to get it to work with Golden Code.  The installation went 
>> thru so fast I hardly remember what I did.
> 
> 
> Shame...
> 
> May have helped find the other problem but I guess that is not so 
> relevant now. Does lead me to suspect that the Registry entries for 
> java142 may have something to do with the above failure though.
> 
> 
>  I was even able to install
>> the windoze version of OO 1.1.5.
> 
> 
> GC java does not run win32 applications so is not relevant to installing 
> Innotek's OO114/5.
> 
> I drag'n'dropped the Setup.exe file onto a program object for ar5os2.exe 
> (from the Innotek Acrobat5 package) - that works really well. It also 
> shows the install does not involve java at all.
> 
This is how I installed OOo115.
> 
>   I cant find OO 2.0 for windows,
> 
> 
> Check the openoffice.org website
> 
> My experiences were that it was hard work to install - had to install in 
> Windows and copy the installation directory tree - and get running. When 
> running it was prone to falling over for no reason. Just 1 of those apps 
> that requires a bit more in the way of win32 bits than Odin or ar5os2.ex 
> (Innotek Runtime) provide.
> 
> 
>  I do
>> not have an OO maintenance subscription to get 2.0 for OS2 so I 
>> haven't tried these yet.
>>
> 
> 
> Last beta I tried still had a few problems and from looking at posts 
> about later betas/release candidates some of those problems are still 
> being fixed.
> 
> 
>> Is there any word of a more recent version of java pending release?
> 
> 
> No - but you are welcome to email Sun and ask when they will provide an 
> OS/2 version of their current java.
> 
> Do not expect any reply apart from an automated "we got your message
and 
> will respond - possibly".

We'll see what happens!
> 
>   1.4
>> is so legacy now and I find some java apps don't work because of the 
>> old versioning.
> 
> 
> That is going to become a more common problem leaving eCS users running 
> older versions of java apps. Sometimes it is worth emailing the author 
> and asking if the app really requires 1.5 or whether it would work with 
> 1.4 if there are no specific 1.5 calls in the code.
> 
> I did this with JPC recently and they made their Virtual Machine  1.4 
> compatible  http://www-jpc.physics.ox.ac.uk/
> 
> 
>   Has any one tried to get a newer java to work thru Oden or
>> Innotek RT?
>>
> 
> Yes, No success. Even java142_11 seems very different to earlier javas 
> and I could not work out how to update 142_09 using it. Maybe it is 
> possible but not by me...
> 
> I think I read somewhere that Sun was releasing/has released the source 
> code for java so if you feel like taking on a small project to occupy 
> your mind for a while...  :-)

Could be a way for a crash course on os2 programming!
> 
> 
>> Troy.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete

Thanks again, I'll look into your suggestions for more answers.

Philip Griffin-Allwood wrote:
> Monday 28 May 2007
> 
> Hi Troy!
> 
>> I had a situation where when I attempt to install OOo 1.1.4 I 
>> purchased from Mensys some time ago would not install with Innotek 
>> java.  I had tried all known recent versions SDK's, JRE's _05, _09 
>> none would work. Installation would launch a java console app then 
>> hang.  Consoles for both OS2 and java showed no text. I had Java_Home 
>> pointing to C:ProgramsJava142, and  PATH entry C:ProgramsJava142JRE. I

>> had completely removed all older versions of Java 1.3.1, 1.1.8.  I've 
>> tried eCS 1.2r and 2.0b4. I uninstalled and reinstalled, deleted all 
>> entries in the registry relating to Innotek Java, I'm surprised I 
>> don't have a hole worn in my harddisk.
> 
> By default eCS installs Java 1.1.8 which it uses for LVM if my memory is 
> working.  Java 1.1.8 also needs to be in the path to work unlike later 
> Javas which use the executable location to tell the java where to find 
> its components.
> 
> Before running OOo you do need to have both the Innotek Font Engine and 
> the Runtime installed.  The Innotek site states that their Java 1.4 is 
> needed, but that has not been my experience.  I do not remember OOo 
> asking for its location, but I could stand corrected on that.
> 
> I run both OOo 1.1.5 and Star Office O7 (which runs under the Runtime or 
> Odin--Aros2.exe is used as the loader for the Runtime) use Java for the 
> installation routine and the options.
> 
> The use of Java is what has made OOo cross platform and why OOo 2.x.x 
> dependency on Java 1.5 or later has resulted in the creation of the 
> Serenity eCS version which runs without Java.
> 
>> I was able to get it to work with Golden Code.  The installation went 
>> thru so fast I hardly remember what I did. I was even able to install 
>> the windoze version of OO 1.1.5.
> 
> Despite the Innotek Website comment, I wonder if a native Java was 
> needed for the installation.
> 
>> I cant find OO 2.0 for windows, I do not have an OO maintenance 
>> subscription to get 2.0 for OS2 so I haven't tried these yet.
> 
> I am using the OS/2 OOo 2.0.4 RC2.  The only glitch which I have 
> encountered has been  sending too much data to the clipboard.  There is 
> a conflict with the font engine.  Since SO8 is my working GUI word 
> processor on my office WinXP system, having OOo2 on my home desktop has 
> been great.
> 
> I should note that I do run OOo2.1 and SO8 using the Innotek runtime 
> under eCS.  You cannot install it, nor change the options, since they 
> require Java 1.5 or later.  I copy it from my Win box, including the 
> settings.
> 
> Phil
> 
Thank you for your reply.

Monday 28 May 2007

Hi Troy!

> I had a situation where when I attempt to install OOo 1.1.4 I purchased 
> from Mensys some time ago would not install with Innotek java.  I had 
> tried all known recent versions SDK's, JRE's _05, _09 none would work. 
> Installation would launch a java console app then hang.  Consoles for 
> both OS2 and java showed no text. I had Java_Home pointing to 
> C:ProgramsJava142, and  PATH entry C:ProgramsJava142JRE. I had 
> completely removed all older versions of Java 1.3.1, 1.1.8.  I've tried 
> eCS 1.2r and 2.0b4. I uninstalled and reinstalled, deleted all entries 
> in the registry relating to Innotek Java, I'm surprised I don't have a 
> hole worn in my harddisk.

By default eCS installs Java 1.1.8 which it uses for LVM if my memory is 
working.  Java 1.1.8 also needs to be in the path to work unlike later 
Javas which use the executable location to tell the java where to find its 
components.

Before running OOo you do need to have both the Innotek Font Engine and 
the Runtime installed.  The Innotek site states that their Java 1.4 is 
needed, but that has not been my experience.  I do not remember OOo asking 
for its location, but I could stand corrected on that.

I run both OOo 1.1.5 and Star Office O7 (which runs under the Runtime or 
Odin--Aros2.exe is used as the loader for the Runtime) use Java for the 
installation routine and the options.

The use of Java is what has made OOo cross platform and why OOo 2.x.x 
dependency on Java 1.5 or later has resulted in the creation of the 
Serenity eCS version which runs without Java.

> I was able to get it to work with Golden Code.  The installation went 
> thru so fast I hardly remember what I did. I was even able to install 
> the windoze version of OO 1.1.5.

Despite the Innotek Website comment, I wonder if a native Java was needed 
for the installation.

> I cant find OO 2.0 for windows, I do 
> not have an OO maintenance subscription to get 2.0 for OS2 so I haven't 
> tried these yet.

I am using the OS/2 OOo 2.0.4 RC2.  The only glitch which I have 
encountered has been  sending too much data to the clipboard.  There is a 
conflict with the font engine.  Since SO8 is my working GUI word processor 
on my office WinXP system, having OOo2 on my home desktop has been great.

I should note that I do run OOo2.1 and SO8 using the Innotek runtime under 
eCS.  You cannot install it, nor change the options, since they require 
Java 1.5 or later.  I copy it from my Win box, including the settings.

Phil