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Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:50:08 GMT |
I have tried to set up online banking with Natwest, but it claims not to
support my browser. Its published policy is:
PC Users Microsoft® Windows
95/98/ME/NT4/2000/XP or Vista Microsoft® Internet Explorer
version 5 and 6, and 7
or
Netscape? Navigator?
version 7.1 and up
or
Mozilla 1.5 and up
or
AOL 8.0 and up (AOL subscribers only)
or
Firefox 1.0, 1.5 and 2.0
or
Opera 9.x
MAC Users OS 8.1 to 9.2 Microsoft® Internet Explorer
version 5.1.7
or
Mozilla 1.2.1
OS X Netscape? Navigator? version 7.1
and up
or
Mozilla 1.5 and up
or
Firefox 1.0, 1.5 and 2.0
or
Safari 1.3 and 2.0
Netscape and Mozilla users with other operating systems such as Linux may
also be able to access the service.
For technical reasons the service does not currently support the Opera
browser on OS X. We are working with the publishers to address this.
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Some interesting oddities there.
What's up with Mac OS X? (opera.mac included in Newsgroups).
It allows Opera 9.x under the usual Microsloth systems, but not under
Linux (nor even Firefox there), but how does it know whether you are using
Linux or not? I thought the outward appearance of Opera was the same for
all Oses.
I was using Solaris 10 on a SPARC system.
So, some questions, the first two for Eirik, I suppose.
1. When Opera identifies itself, does it include the version (I just
upgraded to Opera 9.25).
2. Does Opera identify the Operating system, or is there some otherway
within the HTTP protocol that a site could discover that? (Presumably
Solaris 10 would then identify as SunOS 5.10).
3. I though I would try to identify myself as Mozilla, but Opera does not
seem to allow that (only Internet Explorer and Firefox). So is there
anyway around that.
I DO have a Mozilla browser that I could use, and it appears willing to
let me use that, but I would prefer not to go that route if I could avoid
it. Alternatively, if I sign up that way, might I then be able to use the
service through Opera?
Anyway, has anyone else out there found a way around this problem?
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Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------
Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Fax: +44 161 436 6133 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl
Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU,
U.K.
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Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:36:21 +010 |
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:50:08 +0100, Charles Lindsey <chl@clerew.man.ac.uk>
wrote:
> 1. When Opera identifies itself, does it include the version (I just
> upgraded to Opera 9.25).
You should see the User Agent that Opera transmits on the page
<opera:about>. There are also online tools available, see e. g.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_agent>.
> 2. Does Opera identify the Operating system, or is there some otherway
> within the HTTP protocol that a site could discover that? (Presumably
> Solaris 10 would then identify as SunOS 5.10).
Yes, the browser identification includes the Operating System, mine has
the following User Agent string: Opera/9.50 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X; U;
en)
> 3. I though I would try to identify myself as Mozilla, but Opera does not
> seem to allow that (only Internet Explorer and Firefox). So is there
> anyway around that.
I think you can use Firefox like Mozilla. In addition you can right click
on the Natwest page and choose "Edit site preferences". On the dialog
that
opens switch to the "Network" tab where you not only can tell Opera to
identify as IE/FF but also to mask as IE/FF which is even stronger. In
addition some pages identify Opera by its JavaScript identification. Then
it might help to play with the following setting
<opera:config#Special|JavaScriptOperaAppName> but I don't know much about
that.
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Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:46:06 +010 |
"Charles Lindsey" <chl@clerew.man.ac.uk> writes:
> I have tried to set up online banking with Natwest, but it claims not to
> support my browser. Its published policy is:
[...]
> So, some questions, the first two for Eirik, I suppose.
>
> 1. When Opera identifies itself, does it include the version (I just
> upgraded to Opera 9.25).
>
> 2. Does Opera identify the Operating system, or is there some otherway
> within the HTTP protocol that a site could discover that? (Presumably
> Solaris 10 would then identify as SunOS 5.10).
The answer is probably is probably the User-Agent header in the HTTP
request, which for one of the browsers I'm currently using looks like:
User-Agent: Opera/9.50 (X11; Linux i686; U; en)
>
> 3. I though I would try to identify myself as Mozilla, but Opera does not
> seem to allow that (only Internet Explorer and Firefox). So is there
> anyway around that.
>
> I DO have a Mozilla browser that I could use, and it appears willing to
> let me use that, but I would prefer not to go that route if I could avoid
> it. Alternatively, if I sign up that way, might I then be able to use the
> service through Opera?
Considering how mozilla and firefox differs, I'm astonished that
they'd only support one of them. Which is probably why we only have
one of them in the "identify as" list. But that's just my guess, of
course :)
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Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:46:06 +010 |
"Charles Lindsey" <chl@clerew.man.ac.uk> writes:
> I have tried to set up online banking with Natwest, but it claims not to
> support my browser. Its published policy is:
[...]
> So, some questions, the first two for Eirik, I suppose.
>
> 1. When Opera identifies itself, does it include the version (I just
> upgraded to Opera 9.25).
>
> 2. Does Opera identify the Operating system, or is there some otherway
> within the HTTP protocol that a site could discover that? (Presumably
> Solaris 10 would then identify as SunOS 5.10).
The answer is probably is probably the User-Agent header in the HTTP
request, which for one of the browsers I'm currently using looks like:
User-Agent: Opera/9.50 (X11; Linux i686; U; en)
>
> 3. I though I would try to identify myself as Mozilla, but Opera does not
> seem to allow that (only Internet Explorer and Firefox). So is there
> anyway around that.
>
> I DO have a Mozilla browser that I could use, and it appears willing to
> let me use that, but I would prefer not to go that route if I could avoid
> it. Alternatively, if I sign up that way, might I then be able to use the
> service through Opera?
Considering how mozilla and firefox differs, I'm astonished that
they'd only support one of them. Which is probably why we only have
one of them in the "identify as" list. But that's just my guess, of
course :)
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Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:25:05 GMT |
In <87r6gjwk6p.fsf@opera.com> Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen
<eirik@opera.com> writes:
>"Charles Lindsey" <chl@clerew.man.ac.uk> writes:
>> So, some questions, the first two for Eirik, I suppose.
>>
>> 1. When Opera identifies itself, does it include the version (I just
>> upgraded to Opera 9.25).
>>
>> 2. Does Opera identify the Operating system, or is there some otherway
>> within the HTTP protocol that a site could discover that? (Presumably
>> Solaris 10 would then identify as SunOS 5.10).
>The answer is probably is probably the User-Agent header in the HTTP
>request, which for one of the browsers I'm currently using looks like:
>User-Agent: Opera/9.50 (X11; Linux i686; U; en)
Yes, that figures.
>>
>> 3. I though I would try to identify myself as Mozilla, but Opera does
not
>> seem to allow that (only Internet Explorer and Firefox). So is there
>> anyway around that.
>Considering how mozilla and firefox differs, I'm astonished that
>they'd only support one of them. Which is probably why we only have
>one of them in the "identify as" list. But that's just my guess,
of
>course :)
Well, using 'strings' followed by 'egrep' on the Opera binary gives:
Mozilla/5.0 (%s; U; %s; rv:1.8.0) Gecko/20060728 Firefox/1.5.0 Opera 9.25
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; %s; %s) Opera 9.25
Mozilla/5.0 (%s; U; %s; rv:1.8.0) Gecko/20060728 Firefox/1.5.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; %s; %s)
Mozilla/4.78 (%s; U; %s) Opera 9.25
Mozilla/4.0 (Linux; US) Opera 8.0 [en]
which suggests that Opera _does_ identify as Mozilla. According to RFC 2616, a User-Agent header can
indeed have many products specified, of
which the first is the "main preoduct" and the others are
"subproducts".
AFAICS those are the only strings in Opera in which "Firefox"
appears,
suggesting that it indeed uses one of those when identifying as Firefox.
But, oddly, I cannot find the string it uses to identify as Internet
Explorer.
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Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------
Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Fax: +44 161 436 6133 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl
Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU,
U.K.
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