Focus is still not working

When you open in a new background window (not using Tabs) you lose the 
focus of the present window - still in 9.26.  

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:11:09 +0100, The New guy <noemailhere@please.comm> 

wrote:

> When you open in a new background window (not using Tabs) you lose the
> focus of the present window - still in 9.26.

How exactly do you lose focus? I tried the "windows instead of tabs" 

setting in both 9.26 and the latest 9.50 weekly and got the same result in  
both when I Command+Shift-Clicked on a link to let it load in a background  
window. I didn't lose focus. Is this connected to sites with plug-ins or  
do you do it in any other way?

> I wonder what percentage of Opera users use Tabs instead of Windows?

I guess most users use Tabs.
-- 
Regards

> > When you open in a new background window (not using Tabs) you lose
the
> > focus of the present window - still in 9.26.

To clarify the original statement:  When I open in a background window 
(by the keyboard shortcut only - when done by a right click of the mouse 
focus is retained), then use Page Down or Page Up it doesn't work until 
I click on a blank area of that page to bring focus to that page. Then 
all works fine.  However I can scroll up and down with my mouse wheel.  
It appears only Page Up and Down are non-functional.  So perhaps its not 
really losing focus which would imply the entire page is non-functional.  
Just the Page Up/Down.  But since that is the next logical action when 
web browsing, its kind of important!
 
> How exactly do you lose focus? I tried the "windows instead of
tabs"  
> setting in both 9.26 and the latest 9.50 weekly and got the same result in 

> both when I Command+Shift-Clicked on a link to let it load in a background 

> window. I didn't lose focus. 

Are you on a Mac or PC?  I'm using OS X 10.4.11.  

> Is this connected to sites with plug-ins or do you do it in any other way?

It seems to be 100% consistent on all websites.  
 
> > I wonder what percentage of Opera users use Tabs instead of Windows?
> 
> I guess most users use Tabs.

I'll probably go back to Tabs then as they may never fix this.  

Regarding Tabs:
It sure will be nice when they fix the bug that causes some new tabs to 
be windows and others to be tabs.  By using the 1 and 2 shortcuts you 
can't go to the windows.  Only the tabs.  When you look on the Menu Bar 
to Windows, a lot of the windows are duplicates.  Its just a mess.  

Regarding Windows:
Is it possible to make a keyboard shortcut that would replicate the 1 
and 2 keyboard shortcut used in Tabs that advances the user to the next 
tab?  I looked in Advanced, etc but couldn't see where I could do this. 
Perhaps I need to make up a new shortcut?  If you could suggest the 

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:48:14 +0100, The New guy <noemailhere@please.comm> 

wrote:

>> > When you open in a new background window (not using Tabs) you lose
the
>> > focus of the present window - still in 9.26.
>
> To clarify the original statement:  When I open in a background window
> (by the keyboard shortcut only - when done by a right click of the mouse
> focus is retained), then use Page Down or Page Up it doesn't work until
> I click on a blank area of that page to bring focus to that page. Then
> all works fine.  However I can scroll up and down with my mouse wheel.
> It appears only Page Up and Down are non-functional.  So perhaps its not
> really losing focus which would imply the entire page is non-functional.
> Just the Page Up/Down.  But since that is the next logical action when
> web browsing, its kind of important!
(...)
>
> Are you on a Mac or PC?  I'm using OS X 10.4.11.

I'm on a MacIntel with OS X 10.5.2 and I can confirm the PageUp/PageDown  
issue in 9.50 build 4669. Thank you for the clarification on what failed.  
That's a bug, indeed.

(...)
> I'll probably go back to Tabs then as they may never fix this.
>
> Regarding Tabs:
> It sure will be nice when they fix the bug that causes some new tabs to
> be windows and others to be tabs.  (...)

The pages that open in extra windows are pop-ups and I don't think Opera  
can do much about that. On Mac non-maximized tabs inside a window are not  
allowed. Would be nice if pop-ups could be more connected to their  
originating tab by e.g. making them available in the tab switcher chain  
with 1/2.

Btw, the latest Mac 9.50 weekly from <http://my.opera.com/desktopteam>  
includes several tab handling improvements in order to make it possible to  
mimic how Safari and Firefox behave. And the 9.50 builds can show page  
thumbnails in the tab switcher available via Option-Tab, this also offers  
a nice way to switch tabs (note: you have to enable those thumbnails in  
<opera:config#UserPrefs|UseThumbnailsinWindowCycle>).

> Regarding Windows:
> Is it possible to make a keyboard shortcut that would replicate the 1
> and 2 keyboard shortcut used in Tabs that advances the user to the next
> tab?  I looked in Advanced, etc but couldn't see where I could do this.
> Perhaps I need to make up a new shortcut?  If you could suggest the
> correct title to the action, that would be great.

The default shortcuts for that are the Mac OS X-wide Command-` /  
Command-Shift-` as shown on  
<http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75459>. Opera doesn't use 

a self-defined shortcut it seems but just sticks to what the platform  
defines.
-- 
Regards

> >> > When you open in a new background window (not using Tabs) you
lose the
> >> > focus of the present window - still in 9.26.
> >
> > To clarify the original statement:  When I open in a background
window
> > (by the keyboard shortcut only - when done by a right click of the
mouse
> > focus is retained), then use Page Down or Page Up it doesn't work
until
> > I click on a blank area of that page to bring focus to that page.
Then
> > all works fine.  However I can scroll up and down with my mouse
wheel.
> > It appears only Page Up and Down are non-functional.  So perhaps its
not
> > really losing focus which would imply the entire page is
non-functional.
> > Just the Page Up/Down.  But since that is the next logical action
when
> > web browsing, its kind of important!
> (...)
> >
> > Are you on a Mac or PC?  I'm using OS X 10.4.11.
> 
> I'm on a MacIntel with OS X 10.5.2 and I can confirm the PageUp/PageDown  
> issue in 9.50 build 4669. Thank you for the clarification on what failed. 

> That's a bug, indeed.

I just tried browsing in Tabs and its fine.  So because they are gearing 
towards Tabbed browsing they probably missed this. So now all they have 
to do is fix the multiple windows/tabs mess in Tabs and all will be well.
  
> > I'll probably go back to Tabs then as they may never fix this.
> >
> > Regarding Tabs:
> > It sure will be nice when they fix the bug that causes some new tabs
to
> > be windows and others to be tabs.  (...)
> 
> The pages that open in extra windows are pop-ups and I don't think Opera  
> can do much about that. On Mac non-maximized tabs inside a window are not 

> allowed. Would be nice if pop-ups could be more connected to their  
> originating tab by e.g. making them available in the tab switcher chain  
> with 1/2.

Sounds like a great idea.  Unfortunately most people are so lame when 
browsing and Tabbed browsing is a real novelty for them.  There just 
isn't a demand for highly efficient web browsing yet.  It might take a 
few years before people wake up.  

> Btw, the latest Mac 9.50 weekly from
<http://my.opera.com/desktopteam>  
> includes several tab handling improvements in order to make it possible to 

> mimic how Safari and Firefox behave. And the 9.50 builds can show page  
> thumbnails in the tab switcher available via Option-Tab, this also offers 

> a nice way to switch tabs (note: you have to enable those thumbnails in  
> <opera:config#UserPrefs|UseThumbnailsinWindowCycle>).

Showing a preview is so Leopard of you........good idea.  
 
> > Regarding Windows:
> > Is it possible to make a keyboard shortcut that would replicate the 1
> > and 2 keyboard shortcut used in Tabs that advances the user to the
next
> > tab?  I looked in Advanced, etc but couldn't see where I could do
this.
> > Perhaps I need to make up a new shortcut?  If you could suggest the
> > correct title to the action, that would be great.
> 
> The default shortcuts for that are the Mac OS X-wide Command-` /  
> Command-Shift-` as shown on  
> <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75459>. Opera doesn't
use  
> a self-defined shortcut it seems but just sticks to what the platform  
> defines.

Can I change that shortcut?  I want it to be a single key (like how 1 
and 2 work in Tabbed browsing.)  Its very efficient.  

Opera is getting so good....too bad so many people are so blind they