Re: Why do 'trusted sites' send to total strangers?

Geoffrey Hyde wrote:
Subject: Why do 'trusted sites' send to total strangers?

If you don't ask your question in the body of your message, there is no
context for answering it, and a respondent has to past the/your question
found only in the subject down into the body.  That is suboptimal
message construction.  For message subject construction training
purposes, try writing your subject last, after you have completed the
body.  The body should contain all complete sentences;  the subject
should be very brief and reflect a title for the body's content, and
needn't be a complete sentence.

Trusted in this context means known to be a relay.  Your own provider's
server handles its traceline stupidly/noncompliantly in this example and
it is trusted to be a relay for you.

Trusted does not mean 'trusted to be a well configured server/MTA'.

>
http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z1715372175z72bff7e532e5f5efd1b7c403bcf65e3cz

This is a DSN failure misdirected bounce message.

> I have never even done business with "kpnxchange"

Doing business with isn't what causes misdirected bounces.

> so why am I
> receiving bounce email spam from them?

The server is badly configured.

> Can't the mail server administrators get a clue and manually filter
> bounces before letting them be sent out?

They should get a clue and configure so that they don't generate
misdirected bounces.

> Is the ISP responsible for tthe IP SpamCop identifies as the source
> black or white hat?

They are blocklisted by spam cannibal, probably for misdirected bounces.
They are not listed by spamhaus as a 'blackhat'.  I wouldn't call an
incompetently run mailserver admin exactly whitehat, because you have to
have a clue to wear a white hat.


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

Larry Kilgallen wrote:
Date: 13 Mar 2008 09:57:26 -0600
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:57:32 +0000 (UTC)

I think I recall once upon a time when I posted a voluntary courtesy
clock police report to you, that you explained something about your
situation that caused that, but I can't remember what it was.

Your posting computer's clock is 2 hours fast.  It says about 10 AM
localtime and it says timezone Mountain Daylight Time or other
alternatives which are 6 hours west of Greenwich, but it was posted at
about 7 AM my local Pacific Daylight Time, which is one hour west of
Mountain Daylight or 7 hours west of the meridian.

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

Presumably "trusted" means "we trust that this is really the IP
address, not "we trust that they manage SMTP well".

In article <frakkf$cc2$1@news.spamcop.net>, "Geoffrey Hyde"
<g.hyde@bigNOSPAMpond.net.au> writes:
> http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z1715372175z72bff7e532e5f5efd1b7c403bcf65e3cz
> 
> I have never even done business with "kpnxchange" so why am I
receiving 
> bounce email spam from them?

If it is _bounce_ spam, it has nothing to do with you doing business
with them - it has to do with them receiving email purportedly from you.

> Can't the mail server administrators get a clue and manually filter bounces

> before letting them be sent out?

The best (only?) solution is to _never_ issue bounce messages, and just

"Kenneth Brody" <kenbrody@spamcop.net> wrote in message 
news:47D97948.F86C1FD9@spamcop.net...
...>
> What about "hatless"?

Actually headless is the more usual situation. Without head, a hat is hard 
to wear. 

Mike Easter wrote:
[...]
> > Is the ISP responsible for tthe IP SpamCop identifies as the source
> > black or white hat?
> 
> They are blocklisted by spam cannibal, probably for misdirected bounces.
> They are not listed by spamhaus as a 'blackhat'.  I wouldn't call an
> incompetently run mailserver admin exactly whitehat, because you have to
> have a clue to wear a white hat.

What about "hatless"?

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