Re: McCain birthplace

"Frog Prince" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message 
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> If the panama base is declared, by the courts, to be "sovereign US
> territory", what does that do for Guantanemo?
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> The difference may be semantic NAVTIVE BORN (i.e. on us soil) vs. NATURAL
> BORN (i.e. of parents who are US citizens)


I don't recall the word choice in the clause, but my reading of it gave me 
the impression that it meant bourn in a way that citizenship was a 
birthright, which then would mean any of

On US Soil
Of Citizens

and any other means where US citizenship is automatic at birth.

By the way, I read NATIVE BORN as meaning born of Natives  (citizens). 
Courts my well have a different opinion. NATURAL BORN to me would mean 
without medical intervention, as in Caesarian, or some kind of artificial 
fertilization or implantation. Zombies and clones among others would be 
excluded. 

If the panama base is declared, by the courts, to be "sovereign US
territory", what does that do for Guantanemo?


The difference may be semantic NAVTIVE BORN (i.e. on us soil) vs. NATURAL 
BORN (i.e. of parents who are US citizens)

Bar0 wrote:
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> "Frog Prince" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message 
> news:fqabpv$464$1@news.spamcop.net...
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>> If the panama base is declared, by the courts, to be "sovereign
US
>> territory", what does that do for Guantanemo?
> 
> I don't recall the word choice in the clause, but my reading of it gave 
> me the impression that it meant bourn in a way that citizenship was a 
> birthright, which then would mean any of

Goldwater was born in Arizona before it was part of the US.  I suppose 
it was good he wasn't elected so they didn't have to test out the 
requirements.

And Guantanamo has been sovereign US territory and not sovereign US 
territory at the same time, depending on what needed to be justified at 

In article <7n8t95-l3c.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org>,
 "Mr K. Mean" <cv4bf2e02@sneakemail.com> wrote:

> Bar0 wrote:
> > 
> > "Frog Prince" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message 
> > news:fqabpv$464$1@news.spamcop.net...
> >>
> >> If the panama base is declared, by the courts, to be
"sovereign US
> >> territory", what does that do for Guantanemo?
> > 
> > I don't recall the word choice in the clause, but my reading of it
gave 
> > me the impression that it meant bourn in a way that citizenship was a

> > birthright, which then would mean any of
> 
> Goldwater was born in Arizona before it was part of the US.  I suppose 
> it was good he wasn't elected so they didn't have to test out the 
> requirements.
> 
> And Guantanamo has been sovereign US territory and not sovereign US 
> territory at the same time, depending on what needed to be justified at 
> the time.

The U.S. still attempts to pay rent for the land at Gitmo, though the 
Cuban government refuses to cash the checks.

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