Re: spamvertised Website

"Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:fi66qf$3jh$1@news.spamcop.net...
>I recently got a rude e-mail from someone purporting to be a volunteer at 
>one of my providers, Fastmail, saying the complaint had been lodged against

>them.  On examination I saw that Fastmail was indeed shown as the 
>spamvertised Website.  The post was a phishing attempt supposedly from the 
>Nationwide Building Society.  Ok it was my fault for pushing the button too

>quickly, but I have been reporting for years and nothing like this has 
>happened before.  Can anyone shed any light on this?

What kind of light do you want shed?  If the spamcop report was correct, 
then I would answer the rude email politely pointing out that the complaint 
was  valid and that something had gone wrong at Fastmail.  If you are unsure 
that the volunteer really is at Fastmail, then I would be careful that the 
answer return path had the reportid number rather than my own email address.

If you are unsure about the volunteer, then I would forward the phishing 
email and the reply to Fastmail explaining how spamcop works and, and 
telling them, as a customer, you hope that they will be prompt in fixing the 
problem.

If you are wondering how one of your providers could be chosen by spamcop, I 
don't think that spamvertised sites are looked at by the spamcop parser as 
potentially one of your providers the way that mailhosts look at the 
headers.

If you are wondering why spamcop chose your provider for this report, you 
can do some research.  I don't pay much attention to spamvertised site 
reporting because I don't think it is important.  However, I think that 
compromised machines are often involved in temporarily hosting phishing 
websites.  If your provider is usually responsible about spam and 
spamvertized websites, then my guess is that there is a compromised computer 
somewhere (perhaps belonging to the 'volunteer'? who would have learned 
about the spamcop report because Fastmail abuse forwarded them the report?). 
There may some other explanation - I do know that many spamvertized websites 
are continually moving.  As fast as one host shuts them down, they move to 
another site, or is it to avoid being shut down?  As I said, I am vague 
about the problems in reporting spamvertized websites.

However, as a customer, I would report to someone at Fastmail both about the 
report and the rudeness and get them to provide an explanation.

If you want someone to comment more specifically, then you need to provide a 
Tracking URL which is at the top of the spamcop report. Do not paste the 
spam here because pasting changes the email subtly and it can not be 
analyzed properly.

Miss Betsy
an almost new internet user

I recently got a rude e-mail from someone purporting to be a volunteer 
at one of my providers, Fastmail, saying the complaint had been lodged 
against them.  On examination I saw that Fastmail was indeed shown as 
the spamvertised Website.  The post was a phishing attempt supposedly 
from the Nationwide Building Society.  Ok it was my fault for pushing 
the button too quickly, but I have been reporting for years and nothing 

Miss Betsy wrote:
> "Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:fi66qf$3jh$1@news.spamcop.net...
>> I recently got a rude e-mail from someone purporting to be a volunteer
at 
>> one of my providers, Fastmail, saying the complaint had been lodged
against 
>> them.  On examination I saw that Fastmail was indeed shown as the 
>> spamvertised Website.  The post was a phishing attempt supposedly from
the 
>> Nationwide Building Society.  Ok it was my fault for pushing the button
too 
>> quickly, but I have been reporting for years and nothing like this has

>> happened before.  Can anyone shed any light on this?
> 
> What kind of light do you want shed?  If the spamcop report was correct, 
> then I would answer the rude email politely pointing out that the complaint

> was  valid and that something had gone wrong at Fastmail.  If you are
unsure 
> that the volunteer really is at Fastmail, then I would be careful that the

> answer return path had the reportid number rather than my own email
address.
> 
> If you are unsure about the volunteer, then I would forward the phishing 
> email and the reply to Fastmail explaining how spamcop works and, and 
> telling them, as a customer, you hope that they will be prompt in fixing
the 
> problem.
> 
> If you are wondering how one of your providers could be chosen by spamcop,
I 
> don't think that spamvertised sites are looked at by the spamcop parser as

> potentially one of your providers the way that mailhosts look at the 
> headers.
> 
> If you are wondering why spamcop chose your provider for this report, you 
> can do some research.  I don't pay much attention to spamvertised site 
> reporting because I don't think it is important.  However, I think that 
> compromised machines are often involved in temporarily hosting phishing 
> websites.  If your provider is usually responsible about spam and 
> spamvertized websites, then my guess is that there is a compromised
computer 
> somewhere (perhaps belonging to the 'volunteer'? who would have learned 
> about the spamcop report because Fastmail abuse forwarded them the
report?). 
> There may some other explanation - I do know that many spamvertized
websites 
> are continually moving.  As fast as one host shuts them down, they move to

> another site, or is it to avoid being shut down?  As I said, I am vague 
> about the problems in reporting spamvertized websites.
> 
> However, as a customer, I would report to someone at Fastmail both about
the 
> report and the rudeness and get them to provide an explanation.
> 
> If you want someone to comment more specifically, then you need to provide
a 
> Tracking URL which is at the top of the spamcop report. Do not paste the 
> spam here because pasting changes the email subtly and it can not be 
> analyzed properly.
> 
> Miss Betsy
> an almost new internet user
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Martin Edwards wrote:
> Miss Betsy wrote:
>> "Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote in
message 
>> news:fi66qf$3jh$1@news.spamcop.net...
>>> I recently got a rude e-mail from someone purporting to be a 
>>> volunteer at one of my providers, Fastmail, saying the complaint
had 
>>> been lodged against them.  On examination I saw that Fastmail was 
>>> indeed shown as the spamvertised Website.  The post was a phishing

>>> attempt supposedly from the Nationwide Building Society.  Ok it was

>>> my fault for pushing the button too quickly, but I have been 
>>> reporting for years and nothing like this has happened before.  Can

>>> anyone shed any light on this?
>>
>> What kind of light do you want shed?  If the spamcop report was 
>> correct, then I would answer the rude email politely pointing out that

>> the complaint was  valid and that something had gone wrong at 
>> Fastmail.  If you are unsure that the volunteer really is at Fastmail,

>> then I would be careful that the answer return path had the reportid 
>> number rather than my own email address.
>>
>> If you are unsure about the volunteer, then I would forward the 
>> phishing email and the reply to Fastmail explaining how spamcop works 
>> and, and telling them, as a customer, you hope that they will be 
>> prompt in fixing the problem.
>>
>> If you are wondering how one of your providers could be chosen by 
>> spamcop, I don't think that spamvertised sites are looked at by the 
>> spamcop parser as potentially one of your providers the way that 
>> mailhosts look at the headers.
>>
>> If you are wondering why spamcop chose your provider for this report, 
>> you can do some research.  I don't pay much attention to spamvertised 
>> site reporting because I don't think it is important.  However, I 
>> think that compromised machines are often involved in temporarily 
>> hosting phishing websites.  If your provider is usually responsible 
>> about spam and spamvertized websites, then my guess is that there is a

>> compromised computer somewhere (perhaps belonging to the 'volunteer'? 
>> who would have learned about the spamcop report because Fastmail abuse

>> forwarded them the report?). There may some other explanation - I do 
>> know that many spamvertized websites are continually moving.  As fast 
>> as one host shuts them down, they move to another site, or is it to 
>> avoid being shut down?  As I said, I am vague about the problems in 
>> reporting spamvertized websites.
>>
>> However, as a customer, I would report to someone at Fastmail both 
>> about the report and the rudeness and get them to provide an
explanation.
>>
>> If you want someone to comment more specifically, then you need to 
>> provide a Tracking URL which is at the top of the spamcop report. Do 
>> not paste the spam here because pasting changes the email subtly and 
>> it can not be analyzed properly.
>>
>> Miss Betsy
>> an almost new internet user
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Thanks, Betsy, I'll mull over that.

The parser today came up with a checkbox saying Website /interested/ in 
spamvertised Website, which was Fastmail, the provider.  To be on the 
safe side I unchecked it.  It looks like a young (I assume) volunteer 

"Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:fjr02u$32m$1@news.spamcop.net...
> The parser today came up with a checkbox saying Website /interested/ in 
> spamvertised Website, which was Fastmail, the provider.  To be on the safe

> side I unchecked it.  It looks like a young (I assume) volunteer misread a

> similar box.

It looks to me as though your provider, Fastmail, is either harboring 
spamvertised websites or has decided that it would be a good idea to get the 
reports so that they can do something about them - preferably ascertaining 
that the websites are indeed spamming before they cancel them.  If they are 
not, there is a procedure Fastmail can use to mark them as 'innocent 
bystanders.'

I don't understand about the 'volunteer' - the people who decide where the 
spamvertised reports go are all paid staff members.

Miss Betsy