Re: Upgrading

V2? Total rewrite; there is some good translation stuff being built, but the
architecture is very different, and data files will probably have to be
converted. It may be like converting a piano to a harpsichord, probably better
to start over...

I am facing this problem with a very complex v3 app, and though it is possible
to call SIMPOL programs fom v3, and thus convert one module at a time, the
opportunity to redesign and improve my applications will probably tempt me to
start again from scratch.

Also, the fact that SIMPOL will be cross-platform is very important to me. I
don't believe Microsoft has a future. Certainly not with my company, though most
of our customers will not think of changing over. It is time to start developing
cross-platform now, that's all.

Hope my thoughts are useful.




On Wed, 09 May 2007 19:26:02 -0600, Axel H <hahnheuser@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm thinking about upgrading from Superbase 2 to SBNG (oh shock oh
> horror...!).  I joined the membership program to have a look at the pre
> release but can't find any files in the download area.  Since I'm
obviously
> not pre-release worthy (tears & sobs), does anyone know if the upgrade
will
> require knowlege of a new language (eg: a full rewrite) or if its
compatible
> with SBL v2 code.
>

Hi Folks,

I'm thinking about upgrading from Superbase 2 to SBNG (oh shock oh 
horror...!).  I joined the membership program to have a look at the pre 
release but can't find any files in the download area.  Since I'm obviously 
not pre-release worthy (tears & sobs), does anyone know if the upgrade will

require knowlege of a new language (eg: a full rewrite) or if its compatible 
with SBL v2 code.

-- 
Kind Regards
Axel Hahnheuser 

Axel H wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I'm thinking about upgrading from Superbase 2 to SBNG (oh shock oh 
> horror...!).  I joined the membership program to have a look at the pre 
> release but can't find any files in the download area.  Since I'm obviously

> not pre-release worthy (tears & sobs), does anyone know if the upgrade
will 
> require knowlege of a new language (eg: a full rewrite) or if its
compatible 
> with SBL v2 code.

The pre-release is not directly downloadable, but you *can* purchase the
pre-release and that will entitle you to an appropriate discount when
the final release comes out. To purchase it, just go to the Shop menu
item on the web site at www.simpol.com.

As for the new stuff, the SIMPOL programming language is different to
the old SBL language (especially the SBl used in v2 or earlier), but is
actually quite straightforward to learn. There is a section in the
programming guide that describes the equivalents for a number of
features between v2 and SIMPOL:
   http://www.simpol.com/docs/progbook/p8.html

Thanks Neil, Peter,

I just finished a huge program on SB2 which my clients want to use on pda's. 
If SYMPOL can do that and help steer my customers away from Microsoft, its 
going to be worth the effort of re-writing it.  My clients are huge and want 
things yesterday - how soon do you guys think it will be ready?

BTW does SB2 even run on VISTA - i'm too scared to try it.

I'll be signing up Neil as soon as i get a chance - is all the software by 
download or do I have to wait for Snail Mail? (oops i already promised one 
client a pda version soon so yesterday would be nice [smirks]).

I think you guys are on the right track - I love the concept of SYMPOL.  If 
it does what I have read on it so far, so will my clients ;)

-- 
Kind Regards
Axel Hahnheuser

"Peter Barus" <peter@visualpricing.com> wrote in message 
news:op.tr4amtpwpcvzm2@tetsumaru...
> V2? Total rewrite; there is some good translation stuff being built, but 
> the architecture is very different, and data files will probably have to 
> be converted. It may be like converting a piano to a harpsichord, probably

> better to start over...
>
> I am facing this problem with a very complex v3 app, and though it is 
> possible to call SIMPOL programs fom v3, and thus convert one module at a 
> time, the opportunity to redesign and improve my applications will 
> probably tempt me to start again from scratch.
>
> Also, the fact that SIMPOL will be cross-platform is very important to me.

> I don't believe Microsoft has a future. Certainly not with my company, 
> though most of our customers will not think of changing over. It is time 
> to start developing cross-platform now, that's all.
>
> Hope my thoughts are useful.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 19:26:02 -0600, Axel H
<hahnheuser@optusnet.com.au> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I'm thinking about upgrading from Superbase 2 to SBNG (oh shock oh
>> horror...!).  I joined the membership program to have a look at the
pre
>> release but can't find any files in the download area.  Since I'm 
>> obviously
>> not pre-release worthy (tears & sobs), does anyone know if the
upgrade 
>> will
>> require knowlege of a new language (eg: a full rewrite) or if its 
>> compatible
>> with SBL v2 code.
>>
> 

On Thu, 10 May 2007 14:20:59 -0600, Axel H <hahnheuser@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

> BTW does SB2 even run on VISTA - i'm too scared to try it.

Vista has a 32-bit version that my clients report does support my Superbase
apps, both SB4W and SB30 runtime system apps. I have had MSNMessenger
("Windows Live Messenger") sessions with several Vista users in which
these applications are visible on the desktop and operate perfectly. When I
asked them, they all reported that they had the 32-bit version.

I don't know about the 64-bit system, I have heard both that it does NOT support
any 16-bit programs, and that it DOES have a version of NTVDM.EXE in it, so I
have no idea which is true. I advise my clients to go with the 32-bit version if
they want to continue to run my applications.

SIMPOL is very functional now, and close to a shrink-wrapped version. There may
be a learning curve involved in writing new applications, so we are budgeting
for considerable extra development time in future planning. However, the power
and flexibility built into SIMPOL is fairly revolutionary, and we plan to adopt
it as soon as possible for all future projects, as being the best combination of
pure programming and database management in a programming environment, as well
as for its cross-platform capability.

Hope this is useful