Re: sata-controllter on AMD-mainboards?

On 01/21/08 10:04 pm Andy P. wrote:

> Till now, I have used only SCSI in my PC, but thinking of costs for 
> newer Harddisks there seems to be no advance anymore for SCSI: 
> U320-Hostadapter seems not to be supported in OS/2 ( No driver) ...

On the os2hardware Yahoo! group, Ian Manners has just detailed the 
settings he uses for his U160 and U320 LSILogic cards. Others have 
reported using Adaptec U320 cards.

, and my
> Adaptec U160 begs for seldom offered PCI-X-Boards. 

You mean PCI-X motherboards? Those are indeed difficult to come by -- 
except perhaps for server motherboards.

Most recent motherboards have one or two PCI-Express slots (not just for 
video), and PCI-Express U320 SCSI cards are available.

Harddisk in the
> desktop-level have reached performance like SCSI at 2003 (10k RPM, 
> approx 4ms accesstime) and warranties of also 5 years. Newer drives like 
> DVD-Roms and Burners are only (S)ATA-Devices - no SCSI anymore. Sure, 
> there are Bridges, but 80 Euro per Device has to be add to the bill...

The successor to SCSI --  for serious computing -- is not SATA but SAS 
(= Serial-Attached SCSI). SATA and IDE drives are not just SCSI drives 
with different electronics. SCSI drives (and no doubt SAS as well) are 
designed to a higher standard and for a more arduous environment. At 
least that's what Seagate says.

> Im seriosly looking at the SATA-systems. But reading Danis readme of 
> supported Sata-controller gives me a question. There are actual some 
> AMD-chipsets out there, that uses the so-called SB600 Southbridge. If I 
> have read right, there are a successor in the pipline: SB700.
> Are they supported by Danis atapi driver? Maybe even in native/AHCI mode?
> Has anyone a mainboard with AMD 690, or AMD 760/770/790 running with a 
> Sata-HDD?  For testing purposes, i could lend an AMD690 board, wich runs 
> ok with the Adaptec plugged in in an PCI32bit-slot, but there ist no Sgn 
> of the SB600 sata-controller. Maybe im doing something wrong? PCI.exe 
> recognizes this, the Bios shows the attached harddisk, the 
> SATA-controller runs in ATA-mode.. still no luck.
> Over there in Windows XP and Linux if will recognized, so its not a 
> hardware problem.
> Or should I stay away from the AMD-Chipsets, going to nvidia (linke now)?
> 
> Regards Andy P.
> 
> P:S: Danis atapi driver are a excellent piece of software as i can see 
> on my laptop. This is a bright shining example, how this kind of 
> software has to be written. Thanks Dani.
> 
> PP.S: those of you, who has stay tuned by reading this long text, has 
> really earned a cup of good coffee :D

Thanks, but I'll wait until the morning.

-=-

Hello.
Till now, I have used only SCSI in my PC, but thinking of costs for newer 
Harddisks there seems to be no advance anymore for SCSI: U320-Hostadapter 
seems not to be supported in OS/2 ( No driver), and my Adaptec U160 begs 
for seldom offered PCI-X-Boards. Harddisk in the desktop-level have 
reached performance like SCSI at 2003 (10k RPM, approx 4ms accesstime) and 
warranties of also 5 years. Newer drives like DVD-Roms and Burners are 
only (S)ATA-Devices - no SCSI anymore. Sure, there are Bridges, but 80 
Euro per Device has to be add to the bill...

Im seriosly looking at the SATA-systems. But reading Danis readme of 
supported Sata-controller gives me a question. There are actual some 
AMD-chipsets out there, that uses the so-called SB600 Southbridge. If I 
have read right, there are a successor in the pipline: SB700.
Are they supported by Danis atapi driver? Maybe even in native/AHCI mode?
Has anyone a mainboard with AMD 690, or AMD 760/770/790 running with a 
Sata-HDD?  
For testing purposes, i could lend an AMD690 board, wich runs ok with the 
Adaptec plugged in in an PCI32bit-slot, but there ist no Sgn of the SB600 
sata-controller. Maybe im doing something wrong? 
PCI.exe recognizes this, the Bios shows the attached harddisk, the 
SATA-controller runs in ATA-mode.. still no luck.
Over there in Windows XP and Linux if will recognized, so its not a 
hardware problem.
Or should I stay away from the AMD-Chipsets, going to nvidia (linke now)?

Regards Andy P.

P:S: Danis atapi driver are a excellent piece of software as i can see on 
my laptop. This is a bright shining example, how this kind of software has 
to be written. Thanks Dani.

PP.S: those of you, who has stay tuned by reading this long text, has 
really earned a cup of good coffee :D

Bonjour,

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:04:20 UTC, yeno@gmx.net (Andy P.) wrote : 
> U320-Hostadapter seems not to be supported in OS/2 ( No driver),
There is one for Adaptec U320 hosts listed in eCS 1.2MR at least (I 
wonder where I could find a PCI-e card for a *nice* price, though...). 

> and my Adaptec U160 begs for seldom offered PCI-X-Boards. 
It fits into a "standard" PCI socket (at least in my machine). The
64bit
part is just not used. 

> only (S)ATA-Devices - no SCSI anymore. 
ACARD (at least?) provides SCSI-to-SATA bridges.  This allows to connect
SATA HDD (SATA RAID device) or CD/DVD drives to a SCSI bus. 

> Sure, there are Bridges, but 80 Euro per Device has to be add to
> the bill...
Sure. But we (still) have the choice. 

> But reading Danis readme of supported Sata-controller gives me a
> question. 
Whereas staying with SCSI using bridges doesn't give you too many 
questions, apart from a "financial" point of view, of course. (;-)

> P:S: Danis atapi driver are a excellent piece of software as i can see on 
> my laptop. This is a bright shining example, how this kind of software has

> to be written. Thanks Dani.
I second that. 

> PP.S: those of you, who has stay tuned by reading this long text, has 
> really earned a cup of good coffee :D
Am I entitled to the offer, even though I haven't brought any answer? 

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Hi Andy

Andy P. wrote:
> Hello.
> Till now, I have used only SCSI in my PC, but thinking of costs for 
> newer Harddisks there seems to be no advance anymore for SCSI: 
> U320-Hostadapter seems not to be supported in OS/2 ( No driver), and my 
> Adaptec U160 begs for seldom offered PCI-X-Boards. Harddisk in the 
> desktop-level have reached performance like SCSI at 2003 (10k RPM, 
> approx 4ms accesstime) and warranties of also 5 years. Newer drives like 
> DVD-Roms and Burners are only (S)ATA-Devices - no SCSI anymore. Sure, 
> there are Bridges, but 80 Euro per Device has to be add to the bill...
> 
> Im seriosly looking at the SATA-systems. But reading Danis readme of 
> supported Sata-controller gives me a question. There are actual some 
> AMD-chipsets out there, that uses the so-called SB600 Southbridge. If I 
> have read right, there are a successor in the pipline: SB700.
> Are they supported by Danis atapi driver? Maybe even in native/AHCI mode?
> Has anyone a mainboard with AMD 690, or AMD 760/770/790 running with a 
> Sata-HDD?  For testing purposes, i could lend an AMD690 board, wich runs 
> ok with the Adaptec plugged in in an PCI32bit-slot, but there ist no Sgn 
> of the SB600 sata-controller. Maybe im doing something wrong? PCI.exe 
> recognizes this, the Bios shows the attached harddisk, the 
> SATA-controller runs in ATA-mode.. still no luck.
> Over there in Windows XP and Linux if will recognized, so its not a 
> hardware problem.
> Or should I stay away from the AMD-Chipsets, going to nvidia (linke now)?
> 
> Regards Andy P.
> 
> P:S: Danis atapi driver are a excellent piece of software as i can see 
> on my laptop. This is a bright shining example, how this kind of 
> software has to be written. Thanks Dani.
> 
> PP.S: those of you, who has stay tuned by reading this long text, has 
> really earned a cup of good coffee :D
> 


Thanks - I'll send the Wife to the kitchen to make a cup now  ;-)

Reading the Danis506.doc the AMD SB600 does not seem to get mentioned.

Best advice I can give regarding that chipset - and SB700 - is to 
contact Dani and ask politely about support.


With regard to changing from scsi to sata2: I changed from u160 to sata2 
around 8 months ago and have no cause for complaint. I do suspect that 
sata2 drives may not last as long as scsi but, being lots cheaper, you 
can afford any extra disk or 2 to store backups on :-)

Regards

Hi Andy

Peter Brown wrote:
> Hi Andy
> 
> Andy P. wrote:
>> Hello.
>> Till now, I have used only SCSI in my PC, but thinking of costs for 
>> newer Harddisks there seems to be no advance anymore for SCSI: 
>> U320-Hostadapter seems not to be supported in OS/2 ( No driver), and 
>> my Adaptec U160 begs for seldom offered PCI-X-Boards. Harddisk in the 
>> desktop-level have reached performance like SCSI at 2003 (10k RPM, 
>> approx 4ms accesstime) and warranties of also 5 years. Newer drives 
>> like DVD-Roms and Burners are only (S)ATA-Devices - no SCSI anymore. 
>> Sure, there are Bridges, but 80 Euro per Device has to be add to the 
>> bill...
>>
>> Im seriosly looking at the SATA-systems. But reading Danis readme of 
>> supported Sata-controller gives me a question. There are actual some 
>> AMD-chipsets out there, that uses the so-called SB600 Southbridge. If 
>> I have read right, there are a successor in the pipline: SB700.
>> Are they supported by Danis atapi driver? Maybe even in native/AHCI
mode?
>> Has anyone a mainboard with AMD 690, or AMD 760/770/790 running with a

>> Sata-HDD?  For testing purposes, i could lend an AMD690 board, wich 
>> runs ok with the Adaptec plugged in in an PCI32bit-slot, but there ist

>> no Sgn of the SB600 sata-controller. Maybe im doing something wrong? 
>> PCI.exe recognizes this, the Bios shows the attached harddisk, the 
>> SATA-controller runs in ATA-mode.. still no luck.
>> Over there in Windows XP and Linux if will recognized, so its not a 
>> hardware problem.
>> Or should I stay away from the AMD-Chipsets, going to nvidia (linke
now)?
>>
>> Regards Andy P.
>>
>> P:S: Danis atapi driver are a excellent piece of software as i can see

>> on my laptop. This is a bright shining example, how this kind of 
>> software has to be written. Thanks Dani.
>>
>> PP.S: those of you, who has stay tuned by reading this long text, has 
>> really earned a cup of good coffee :D
>>
> 
> 
> Thanks - I'll send the Wife to the kitchen to make a cup now  ;-)
> 
> Reading the Danis506.doc the AMD SB600 does not seem to get mentioned.
> 
> Best advice I can give regarding that chipset - and SB700 - is to 
> contact Dani and ask politely about support.
> 
> 
> With regard to changing from scsi to sata2: I changed from u160 to sata2 
> around 8 months ago and have no cause for complaint. I do suspect that 
> sata2 drives may not last as long as scsi but, being lots cheaper, you 
> can afford any extra disk or 2 to store backups on :-)
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete



I think I read somewhere that the SB600 uses AHCI; I also read somewhere 
else, within the ecs ngs, that installation of eCS2.0RC(?) failed until 
the op had set BIOS option regarding AHCI to Compatability.

You may want to Google for SB600 specs and search these ngs for 
references to AHCI.

Regards