Dummy FTP Questions

I rarely have a need to use FTP, but I have two new requirements:

1)  I do not have Peer-to-Peer set up on my home LAN for a couple of 
irrelevant reasons.  But, I've found that FTP is a convenient way to 
transfer files from one system to another.  I've been doing this by just 
starting FTPD one one system and PMFTP on the other.  One problem with 
this approach:  Many times what I want to transfer is a complete 
directory instead of just individual files.  PMFTP insists on confirming 
  the start/stop of each file in the directory.  Is there any easy way 
to avoid these responses?  [I've resorted to ZIPping the directory and 
transferring the ZIP, but sometimes, that's just not convenient.]

2)  I have been doing the FTP above by just specifying the local IP 
address of the system with the FTPD.  What if I want to do this from 
outsude of my local LAN?  The IP address is generated by the router and 
is not exposed to the outside.  It's all smoke and mirrors to me, but as 
I understand it, there is only one IP address exposed to the outside and 
it can vary at the whim of the ISP.  [I have a DSL connection via the 
phone company.]  So, how to I indicate, from the outside, the one system 
of the five on my LAN that has the FTPD started?

TIA,

Carl Gehr wrote:
> I rarely have a need to use FTP, but I have two new requirements:
> 
> 1)  I do not have Peer-to-Peer set up on my home LAN for a couple of 
> irrelevant reasons.  But, I've found that FTP is a convenient way to 
> transfer files from one system to another.  I've been doing this by just 
> starting FTPD one one system and PMFTP on the other.  One problem with 
> this approach:  Many times what I want to transfer is a complete 
> directory instead of just individual files.  PMFTP insists on confirming 
>   the start/stop of each file in the directory.  Is there any easy way 
> to avoid these responses?  [I've resorted to ZIPping the directory and 
> transferring the ZIP, but sometimes, that's just not convenient.]
> 
  Is PMFTP a different program from FTPPM?
  You have a couple of options:
1. In FTPPM go to Options :: Confirmations and select Off.
2. Use FTP instead. After connecting and setting the directory enter
"prompt" to disable confirmation, and use "mput XXX" to
transfer multiple
files. Wildcards are processed.

> 2)  I have been doing the FTP above by just specifying the local IP 
> address of the system with the FTPD.  What if I want to do this from 
> outsude of my local LAN?  The IP address is generated by the router and 
> is not exposed to the outside.  It's all smoke and mirrors to me, but as 
> I understand it, there is only one IP address exposed to the outside and 
> it can vary at the whim of the ISP.  [I have a DSL connection via the 
> phone company.]  So, how to I indicate, from the outside, the one system 
> of the five on my LAN that has the FTPD started?
> 
  I suppose you mean the local addresses are assigned with DHCP by the router?
  In any case you would need to obtain a unique domain name for use on the
Internet, and have a DNS server resolve it to the IP address that is bound
to the router. Your ISP can tell you how to set this up, for a nominal fee
of course.
  The router's docs should have information on translating IPs for
connecting outside of the local LAN.

-- 
jmm (hyphen) list (at) sohnen-moe (dot) com

James Moe wrote:
> Carl Gehr wrote:
>> I rarely have a need to use FTP, but I have two new requirements:
>>
>> 1)  I do not have Peer-to-Peer set up on my home LAN for a couple of 
>> irrelevant reasons.  But, I've found that FTP is a convenient way to 
>> transfer files from one system to another.  I've been doing this by
just 
>> starting FTPD one one system and PMFTP on the other.  One problem with

>> this approach:  Many times what I want to transfer is a complete 
>> directory instead of just individual files.  PMFTP insists on
confirming 
>>   the start/stop of each file in the directory.  Is there any easy way

>> to avoid these responses?  [I've resorted to ZIPping the directory and

>> transferring the ZIP, but sometimes, that's just not convenient.]
>>
>   Is PMFTP a different program from FTPPM?

Of course, you're correct...  My error.  [I just click and don't type 
when I use it.  Since I know what/where it is, I don't have to think 
about it.]

>   You have a couple of options:
> 1. In FTPPM go to Options :: Confirmations and select Off.

Easy enough...

> 2. Use FTP instead. After connecting and setting the directory enter
> "prompt" to disable confirmation, and use "mput XXX" to
transfer multiple
> files. Wildcards are processed.

I'll have to look at this more carefully next time.

>> 2)  I have been doing the FTP above by just specifying the local IP 
>> address of the system with the FTPD.  What if I want to do this from 
>> outsude of my local LAN?  The IP address is generated by the router and

>> is not exposed to the outside.  It's all smoke and mirrors to me, but
as 
>> I understand it, there is only one IP address exposed to the outside
and 
>> it can vary at the whim of the ISP.  [I have a DSL connection via the 
>> phone company.]  So, how to I indicate, from the outside, the one
system 
>> of the five on my LAN that has the FTPD started?
>>
>   I suppose you mean the local addresses are assigned with DHCP by the
router?
>   In any case you would need to obtain a unique domain name for use on the
> Internet, and have a DNS server resolve it to the IP address that is bound
> to the router. Your ISP can tell you how to set this up, for a nominal fee
> of course.
>   The router's docs should have information on translating IPs for
> connecting outside of the local LAN.

More homework for when I have some more 'tinker time' to fool with it.

THANKS for your help.

Carl Gehr wrote:
> 1)  I do not have Peer-to-Peer set up on my home LAN for a couple of 
> irrelevant reasons.

Would it be difficult to change to Peer-to-Peer using IBMPEERS as the 
work group?

I ask because I frequently move one or more files from machine to 
machine using ZTree.  One machine needs to share the relevent drive(s), 
the other needs to connect.  This gives you virtual drive letters.
Split the screen.
Tag all the files you want to move or copy on the source machine.
Select the destination on the sink machine and let it go.

BTW, I can even copy/move stuff between eCS and 'doze with only slightly 
more fuss.

I have a similar setup here. Answering your #2 first, I have assigned a 
specific IP address to each machine. That is done in the TIP Configuration 
dialog, and unchecking the "DHCP" option. That way you can go to any 
machine in your LAN from anywhere, (I think).

Commenting on #1 - I know. It is a real PITA when trying to transfer a 
whole folder. I haven't found a way to do it either. Maybe some real guru 
out there can answer this one for both of us.

Cheers --

Clyde

Carl Gehr wrote:

> I rarely have a need to use FTP, but I have two new requirements:

> 1)  I do not have Peer-to-Peer set up on my home LAN for a couple of 
> irrelevant reasons.  But, I've found that FTP is a convenient way to 
> transfer files from one system to another.  I've been doing this by just 
> starting FTPD one one system and PMFTP on the other.  One problem with 
> this approach:  Many times what I want to transfer is a complete 
> directory instead of just individual files.  PMFTP insists on confirming 
>   the start/stop of each file in the directory.  Is there any easy way 
> to avoid these responses?  [I've resorted to ZIPping the directory and 
> transferring the ZIP, but sometimes, that's just not convenient.]

> 2)  I have been doing the FTP above by just specifying the local IP 
> address of the system with the FTPD.  What if I want to do this from 
> outsude of my local LAN?  The IP address is generated by the router and 
> is not exposed to the outside.  It's all smoke and mirrors to me, but as 
> I understand it, there is only one IP address exposed to the outside and 
> it can vary at the whim of the ISP.  [I have a DSL connection via the 
> phone company.]  So, how to I indicate, from the outside, the one system 
> of the five on my LAN that has the FTPD started?

> TIA,
> Carl